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[wiki.synchro.net] page changed: dev:chopping_block
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digital man@VERT to
wiki.synchro.net on Thursday, September 12, 2024 12:39:42
Wiki edit of
http://wiki.synchro.net/dev:chopping_block by digital man:
Add QWK prepack to chopping block list and HTMLterm to graveyard
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digital man on Thursday, September 12, 2024 18:17:02
Re: [wiki.synchro.net] page changed: dev:chopping_block
By: digital man to wiki.synchro.net on Thu Sep 12 2024 12:39:42
DM> Add QWK prepack to chopping block list and HTMLterm to graveyard
I was hoping one day to see the HTMLterm come to fruition, but it was pretty much deprecated before it even had a chance :(
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kk4qbn on Thursday, September 12, 2024 20:40:02
Re: [wiki.synchro.net] page changed: dev:chopping_block
By: kk4qbn to digital man on Thu Sep 12 2024 18:17:02
DM>> Add QWK prepack to chopping block list and HTMLterm to graveyard
SlyEdit won't let me quote your message for some reason. (Nightfox, maybe you should try it out and see if there's an issue.)
I vaguely recall discussion of HTMLterm probably 15 years ago. At the time I was interested in it just on general principle because it seemed like a wacky innovation. I didn't really understand what it was meant to be, though; the concept seemed a bit slippery. Today I'd be a lot more skeptical of it. Is it a terminal? A browser? Both? Where is the line drawn? Why not just use a browser?
I have mixed feelings about the flashy features in SyncTERM today too, but at least in those cases there's prior art and justification for them existing in a terminal emulator. And no reason other terminals can't or shouldn't implement them.
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From
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echicken on Thursday, September 12, 2024 18:30:30
Re: [wiki.synchro.net] page changed: dev:chopping_block
By: kk4qbn to digital man on Thu Sep 12 2024 06:17 pm
DM>> Add QWK prepack to chopping block list and HTMLterm to graveyard
kk> I was hoping one day to see the HTMLterm come to fruition, but it was
kk> pretty much deprecated before it even had a chance :(
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I'm able to quote his message with SlyEdit; not seeing any problems here.. It looks like we're using the same version of SlyEdit, too (the headers show you're using SlyEdit 1.90b Ice style).
Nightfox
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From
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Nightfox on Thursday, September 12, 2024 23:33:49
Re: [wiki.synchro.net] page changed: dev:chopping_block
By: Nightfox to echicken on Thu Sep 12 2024 18:30:30
Ni> I'm able to quote his message with SlyEdit; not seeing any problems here..
Ni> It looks like we're using the same version of SlyEdit, too (the headers
Ni> show you're using SlyEdit 1.90b Ice style).
Weird. I wasn't able to quote any of kk4qbn's text in my previous message - it just didn't show up in the quote selection box - however I was able to quote the quoted text from his message.
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From
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echicken on Friday, September 13, 2024 09:17:07
Re: [wiki.synchro.net] page changed: dev:chopping_block
By: echicken to Nightfox on Thu Sep 12 2024 11:33 pm
Ni>> I'm able to quote his message with SlyEdit; not seeing any problems
ec> Weird. I wasn't able to quote any of kk4qbn's text in my previous message
ec> - it just didn't show up in the quote selection box - however I was able
ec> to quote the quoted text from his message.
Are your other JS files up to date? SlyEdit uses dd_lightbar_menu.js (in exec/load) for the quote selection box - I have made updates to that to fix issues when I see them, though I doubt anything there would cause this issue.
Nightfox
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From
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echicken on Friday, September 13, 2024 01:54:32
Re: [wiki.synchro.net] page changed: dev:chopping_block
By: kk4qbn to echicken on Fri Sep 13 2024 01:23:03
Ni>>> I'm able to quote his message with SlyEdit; not seeing any problems
Ni>>> here.. It looks like we're using the same version of SlyEdit, too (the
Ni>>> headers show you're using SlyEdit 1.90b Ice style).
ec>> Weird. I wasn't able to quote any of kk4qbn's text in my previous message
ec>> - it just didn't show up in the quote selection box - however I was able
ec>> to quote the quoted text from his message.
kk> I went back and checked that message and it is a possibility that I was
kk> using just the regular line editor to write the original message to DM,
kk> that could be the issue. I don't know why it would be, but I don't think
Scratch That, for some reason I missed the header info in the original message, I was using Slyedit, I swear the last time I looked it showed no editor in the header info.. <shrug>
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From
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digital man on Saturday, September 14, 2024 02:51:43
Re: [wiki.synchro.net] page changed: dev:chopping_block
By: digital man to wiki.synchro.net on Thu Sep 12 2024 12:39:42
> Wiki edit of
http://wiki.synchro.net/dev:chopping_block by digital man:
> Add QWK prepack to chopping block list and HTMLterm to graveyard
What does QWK prepack do?
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From
Digital Man@VERT to
Keyop on Friday, September 13, 2024 20:13:09
Re: [wiki.synchro.net] page changed: dev:chopping_block
By: Keyop to digital man on Sat Sep 14 2024 02:51 am
> Re: [wiki.synchro.net] page changed: dev:chopping_block
> By: digital man to wiki.synchro.net on Thu Sep 12 2024 12:39:42
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> > Wiki edit of
http://wiki.synchro.net/dev:chopping_block by digital man:
> > Add QWK prepack to chopping block list and HTMLterm to graveyard
>
> What does QWK prepack do?
Allows a sysop to have their system preemptively create QWK packets for specific users (e.g. QWKnet nodes), nightly.
Once upon a time, creating a QWK packet took a measurable amount of time (exporting the messages to QWK format, zipping the messages into a .QWK file), and QWKnet nodes might want to save those long-distance phone charges and have their packet already created and waiting for them when they made their once-a-day phone-modem call to their QWKnet hub to upload their replies (from the day before) and download their new messages in a QWK packet. I doubt anybody needs this optimization any more.
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From
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Digital Man on Saturday, September 14, 2024 04:49:38
Re: [wiki.synchro.net] page changed: dev:chopping_block
By: Digital Man to Keyop on Fri Sep 13 2024 20:13:09
> Allows a sysop to have their system preemptively create QWK packets for specific users (e.g. QWKnet nodes), nightly.
>
> Once upon a time, creating a QWK packet took a measurable amount of time (exporting the messages to QWK format, zipping the messages into a .QWK file), and QWKnet nodes might want to save those long-distance
> phone charges and have their packet already created and waiting for them when they made their once-a-day phone-modem call to their QWKnet hub to upload their replies (from the day before) and download their
> new
> messages in a QWK packet. I doubt anybody needs this optimization any more.
I have one dial up user that still uses a QWK offline reader. Hopefully they won't be impacted by this change ... ?
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From
Digital Man@VERT to
Keyop on Friday, September 13, 2024 23:58:50
Re: [wiki.synchro.net] page changed: dev:chopping_block
By: Keyop to Digital Man on Sat Sep 14 2024 04:49 am
> I have one dial up user that still uses a QWK offline reader. Hopefully
> they won't be impacted by this change ... ?
If you've never heard of Pre-packed QWK, then you're not using the feature and your dial-up user won't know if it's removed. I believe this to be true of every other Synchronet system too.
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DIGITAL MAN on Saturday, September 14, 2024 10:44:00
>If you've never heard of Pre-packed QWK, then you're not using the feature and
>your dial-up user won't know if it's removed. I believe this to be true of
>every other Synchronet system too.
If someone needs it, they can replace it by writing a script that uses
ncftp. That is actually what I do for QWK users to send once-daily packets
via email.
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From
Keyop@VERT/MAGNUMUK to
Digital Man on Saturday, September 14, 2024 23:36:26
Re: [wiki.synchro.net] page changed: dev:chopping_block
By: Digital Man to Keyop on Fri Sep 13 2024 23:58:50
> If you've never heard of Pre-packed QWK, then you're not using the feature and your dial-up user won't know if it's removed. I believe this to be true of every other Synchronet system too.
Ok thanks :)
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From
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Nightfox on Saturday, September 14, 2024 22:43:53
Re: [wiki.synchro.net] page changed: dev:chopping_block
By: Nightfox to echicken on Fri Sep 13 2024 09:17:07
Ni> Are your other JS files up to date? SlyEdit uses dd_lightbar_menu.js (in
Ni> exec/load) for the quote selection box - I have made updates to that to
They're all of the same vintage, which is about two weeks ago. If you've fixed something since then I wouldn't have it yet, but I'll update soon.
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From
Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to
echicken on Saturday, September 14, 2024 22:36:58
Re: [wiki.synchro.net] page changed: dev:chopping_block
By: echicken to Nightfox on Sat Sep 14 2024 10:43 pm
Ni>> Are your other JS files up to date? SlyEdit uses dd_lightbar_menu.js (in
Ni>> exec/load) for the quote selection box - I have made updates to that to
ec> They're all of the same vintage, which is about two weeks ago. If you've
ec> fixed something since then I wouldn't have it yet, but I'll update soon.
I made a change in dd_lightbar_menu.js about a week ago, but it was a fix for refreshing the scrollbar. I wouldn't expect that to have anything to do with the quote selection for SlyEdit.
Nightfox
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From
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echicken on Wednesday, September 18, 2024 22:37:38
Re: [wiki.synchro.net] page changed: dev:chopping_block
By: echicken to kk4qbn on Thu Sep 12 2024 20:40:02
> I have mixed feelings about the flashy features in SyncTERM today too...
I've been using it for about a month or so and I find it to be a very simple,
straight-forward program, and I hadn't used a terminal program since since my modem days back in the '80s-'90s. Being able to connect to non-ANSI BBSes is great. Wish we had that back in the day.
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From
digital man@VERT to
wiki.synchro.net on Thursday, November 14, 2024 22:48:02
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From
digital man@VERT to
wiki.synchro.net on Sunday, February 16, 2025 21:00:33
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From
fusion@VERT/CFBBS to
digital man on Monday, February 17, 2025 03:41:00
On 16 Feb 2025, digital man said the following...
dm> Wiki edit of
http://wiki.synchro.net/dev:chopping_block by digital man:
dm> [Graveyard] Receive SMTP mail by user number is now gone
regarding ident queries..
imo queries make sense to me if you're shelling out from one bbs to another, and could be used just like how irc uses it (block a specific user from a
bbs that behaves crazily, without banning the whole bbs)
perhaps go the other direction (if it's not already there) and allow blocking ip/ident pairs..
not sure why the ircd doesn't use it either.. it's specifically for identifying individuals on multiuser systems
*shrug* as usually "easy for me to say" :) .. just seems like supporting it fits the general concept of sync (which supports finger..)
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From
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digital man on Monday, February 17, 2025 13:53:15
Re: [wiki.synchro.net] page changed: dev:chopping_block
By: digital man to wiki.synchro.net on Sun Feb 16 2025 09:00 pm
I'd like to keep cold keys and auto-login by ip address
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From
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digital man on Monday, February 17, 2025 18:57:23
Re: [wiki.synchro.net] page changed: dev:chopping_block
By: digital man to wiki.synchro.net on Sun Feb 16 2025 21:00:33
DM> Wiki edit of
http://wiki.synchro.net/dev:chopping_block by digital man:
DM> [Graveyard] Receive SMTP mail by user number is now gone
Did I miss some sort of survey about this or something?
I (was) using this, but I guess I can figure a workaround.
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From
Digital Man@VERT to
kk4qbn on Monday, February 17, 2025 16:49:57
Re: [wiki.synchro.net] page changed: dev:chopping_block
By: kk4qbn to digital man on Mon Feb 17 2025 06:57 pm
> Re: [wiki.synchro.net] page changed: dev:chopping_block
> By: digital man to wiki.synchro.net on Sun Feb 16 2025 21:00:33
>
> DM> Wiki edit of
http://wiki.synchro.net/dev:chopping_block by digital man:
> DM> [Graveyard] Receive SMTP mail by user number is now gone
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> Did I miss some sort of survey about this or something?
>
> I (was) using this, but I guess I can figure a workaround.
No, but it's been documented as not-recommended, disabled by default and generally a bad idea.
If you really use/need this feature of the mail server (do you?), I would consider adding the ability for *authenticated* SMTP clients to send email directly to user numbers, but that could also lead to confusion (why does this email address work for some senders, but not others?).
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From
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Digital Man on Tuesday, February 18, 2025 08:33:37
Re: [wiki.synchro.net] page changed: dev:chopping_block
By: Digital Man to kk4qbn on Mon Feb 17 2025 16:49:57
DM> If you really use/need this feature of the mail server (do you?), I would
DM> consider adding the ability for *authenticated* SMTP clients to send email
DM> directly to user numbers, but that could also lead to confusion (why does
DM> this email address work for some senders, but not others?).
No, I don't need it that bad, I was only using it myself and it can easily be worked around, was only using it to sign up to hulu for the 99cent subscription :-) I can easily alias some names for that in the future.. no issue, was just suprising.
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From
Digital Man@VERT to
kk4qbn on Tuesday, February 18, 2025 10:34:52
Re: [wiki.synchro.net] page changed: dev:chopping_block
By: kk4qbn to Digital Man on Tue Feb 18 2025 08:33 am
> Re: [wiki.synchro.net] page changed: dev:chopping_block
> By: Digital Man to kk4qbn on Mon Feb 17 2025 16:49:57
>
> DM> If you really use/need this feature of the mail server (do you?), I
> DM> would consider adding the ability for *authenticated* SMTP clients to
> DM> send email directly to user numbers, but that could also lead to
> DM> confusion (why does this email address work for some senders, but not
> DM> others?).
>
> No, I don't need it that bad, I was only using it myself and it can easily
> be worked around, was only using it to sign up to hulu for the 99cent
> subscription :-) I can easily alias some names for that in the future.. no
> issue, was just suprising.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure just putting "1@* 1@*" in your alias.cfg file would (as an example) allow receiving email (from anyone) to 1@yourhost.
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