I'm getting this problem when trying to send an outbound E-mail. I've reviewed the wiki on setting it up, and it's correct I believe. I'm also setup through DigitalMan and Synchronet. The address is correct, so what's the problem?

RickV


4/5 06:31:52a 0000 SEND Message #1656 (5 of 5) from 'Rick V' #1 to
'rvonzel' <rvonzel@gmail.com>
4/5 06:31:53a 1520 SEND connecting to port 25 on mail.synchro.net [71.95.196.36]
4/5 06:34:03a 1520 SEND mail.synchro.net replied with: "" instead of the expected reply: "220 ..."
4/5 06:34:03a 1520 SEND !Delivery attempt #1 FAILED (mail.synchro.net replied with: "" instead of the expected reply: "220 ...") for message #1656 from Rick V to rvonzel@gmail.com

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Re: Outbound E-mail Problem
By: Richard Vonzel to All on Sat Apr 05 2025 06:41 am

> I'm getting this problem when trying to send an outbound E-mail. I've
> reviewed the wiki on setting it up, and it's correct I believe. I'm also
> setup through DigitalMan and Synchronet. The address is correct, so what's
> the problem?
>
> RickV
>
>
> 4/5 06:31:52a 0000 SEND Message #1656 (5 of 5) from 'Rick V' #1 to
> 'rvonzel' <rvonzel@gmail.com>
> 4/5 06:31:53a 1520 SEND connecting to port 25 on mail.synchro.net
> [71.95.196.36]
> 4/5 06:34:03a 1520 SEND mail.synchro.net replied with: "" instead of the
> expected reply: "220 ..."
> 4/5 06:34:03a 1520 SEND !Delivery attempt #1 FAILED (mail.synchro.net
> replied with: "" instead of the expected reply: "220 ...") for message #1656
> from Rick V to rvonzel@gmail.com

Your ISP is likely blocking outbound connections to TCP port 25, so you'll need to relay to TCP port 587 at mail.synchro.net as documented here:
https://wiki.synchro.net/howto:relay_smtp

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Hello Digital.

22 Jul 70 06:52, you wrote to Richard Vonzel:

DM> Re: Outbound E-mail Problem
DM> By: Richard Vonzel to All on Sat Apr 05 2025 06:41 am

>> I'm getting this problem when trying to send an outbound E-mail.
>> I've reviewed the wiki on setting it up, and it's correct I
>> believe. I'm also setup through DigitalMan and Synchronet. The
>> address is correct, so what's the problem?
>>
>> RickV
>>
>>
>> 4/5 06:31:52a 0000 SEND Message #1656 (5 of 5) from 'Rick V' #1
>> to 'rvonzel' <rvonzel@gmail.com>
>> 4/5 06:31:53a 1520 SEND connecting to port 25 on
>> mail.synchro.net [71.95.196.36]
>> 4/5 06:34:03a 1520 SEND mail.synchro.net replied with: ""
>> instead of the expected reply: "220 ..."
>> 4/5 06:34:03a 1520 SEND !Delivery attempt #1 FAILED
>> (mail.synchro.net replied with: "" instead of the expected reply:
>> "220 ...") for message #1656 from Rick V to rvonzel@gmail.com

DM> Your ISP is likely blocking outbound connections to TCP port 25, so
DM> you'll need to relay to TCP port 587 at mail.synchro.net as documented
DM> here:
DM> https://wiki.synchro.net/howto:relay_smtp

DM> --
DM> digital man (rob)

DM> Rush quote #20:
DM> Learning that we're only immortal, for a limited time
DM> Norco, CA WX: 65.1øF, 22.0% humidity, 8 mph NW wind, 0.00 inches
DM> rain/24hrs

Alternatively, if you using Synchronet Control Panel for Windows, you can use the SBBSCTRL:Mail->Configure menu option to make the configuration changes and then hit the 'OK' button:

Synchronet Mail Server configuration for relaying through Vertrauen

Note: the Use Relay Server radio button must be checked on the SendMail tab for the Relay tab shown above to appear in the configuration dialog box.

Or... in SCFG v3.20+, in Servers->Mail Server->SendMail Thread...


SendMail Thread

Enabled Yes
Rescan Interval 1 hour
Connect Timeout 10 seconds
Auto-exempt Recipients Yes
Max Delivery Attempts 50
Delivery Method Relay
Relay Server Address mail.synchro.net
Relay Server TCP Port 25 <-----------------------
Relay Server Authentication Plain
Relay Server Username your-qwk-id
Relay Server Password pass

Why does this say port 25, and your telling me 587?

RickV

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Re: Outbound E-mail Problem
By: RickV to Digital Man on Sat Apr 05 2025 06:13 pm

> Relay Server TCP Port 25 <-----------------------
> Relay Server Authentication Plain
> Relay Server Username your-qwk-id
> Relay Server Password pass
>
> Why does this say port 25

Because that's the default value and you haven't changed it.

> and your telling me 587?

Correct.
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-=> RickV wrote to Digital Man <=-

DM> Your ISP is likely blocking outbound connections to TCP port 25, so
DM> you'll need to relay to TCP port 587 at mail.synchro.net as documented
DM> here:
DM> https://wiki.synchro.net/howto:relay_smtp


Ri> Note: the Use Relay Server radio button must be checked on the SendMail
Ri> tab for the Relay tab shown above to appear in the configuration dialog
Ri> box.

Ri> Or... in SCFG v3.20+, in Servers->Mail Server->SendMail Thread...


Ri> SendMail Thread

Ri> Enabled Yes
Ri> Rescan Interval 1 hour
Ri> Connect Timeout 10 seconds
Ri> Auto-exempt Recipients Yes
Ri> Max Delivery Attempts 50
Ri> Delivery Method Relay
Ri> Relay Server Address mail.synchro.net
Ri> Relay Server TCP Port 25 <-----------------------
Ri> Relay Server Authentication Plain
Ri> Relay Server Username your-qwk-id
Ri> Relay Server Password pass

Ri> Why does this say port 25, and your telling me 587?

Jeezub, dude. He just told you why, right up there above where you
quoted it! Do you even read the replies you get??? WTF?



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Hello Nick.

23 Jul 70 10:13, you wrote to me:

NB> Hey RickV!

NB> On Sun, Apr 06 2025 06:44:16 -0500, you wrote:

>> === GoldED+/W64-MSVC 1.1.5-b20240306
>> # Origin: The File Cabinet BBS [filecabi.casacam.net:1025]
>> (1:154/110)
>> --- SBBSecho 3.24-Win32
>> * Origin: The File Cabinet BBS [filecabi.casacam.net:1025]
>> (1:154/110)

NB> Can you by chance add these two lines to your Golded config, please?

NB> CTRLINFO no
NB> CTRLINFOECHO no

NB> or

NB> CTRLINFO tearline
NB> CTRLINFOECHO tearline

NB> The top set will get rid of the double tearline/origin line and let
NB> Synchronet do what it does. The second one will still add the Golded
NB> information, but at least it won't double up the origin line.

NB> Regards,
NB> Nick

NB> ... Sarcasm: because beating people up is illegal.

So, I made the changes, lets see how this one comes out.


RickV

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Hello Gamgee.

22 Jul 70 12:51, you wrote to me:

Ga> -=> RickV wrote to Digital Man <=-

DM>> Your ISP is likely blocking outbound connections to TCP port 25,
DM>> so you'll need to relay to TCP port 587 at mail.synchro.net as
DM>> documented
DM>> here:
DM>> https://wiki.synchro.net/howto:relay_smtp


Ri>> Note: the Use Relay Server radio button must be checked on the
Ri>> SendMail tab for the Relay tab shown above to appear in the
Ri>> configuration dialog box.

Ri>> Or... in SCFG v3.20+, in Servers->Mail Server->SendMail Thread...


Ri>> SendMail Thread

Ri>> Enabled Yes
Ri>> Rescan Interval 1 hour
Ri>> Connect Timeout 10 seconds
Ri>> Auto-exempt Recipients Yes
Ri>> Max Delivery Attempts 50
Ri>> Delivery Method Relay
Ri>> Relay Server Address mail.synchro.net
Ri>> Relay Server TCP Port 25 <-----------------------
Ri>> Relay Server Authentication Plain
Ri>> Relay Server Username your-qwk-id
Ri>> Relay Server Password pass

Ri>> Why does this say port 25, and your telling me 587?

Ga> Jeezub, dude. He just told you why, right up there above where you
Ga> quoted it! Do you even read the replies you get??? WTF?

WOW, your first instinct is to attack the person asking a question, because YOU think it's a dumb one, instead of "HELPING", or just not saying something. I got his answer the first time and made the change, it worked, I was a bit confussed by the way it was explaned on the wiki, so I ask a question about that. Sorry I don't know everything aboutthe Synchronet setup.

RickV

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Hey RickV!

On Sun, Apr 06 2025 06:44:16 -0500, you wrote:

>=== GoldED+/W64-MSVC 1.1.5-b20240306
> # Origin: The File Cabinet BBS [filecabi.casacam.net:1025] (1:154/110)
> --- SBBSecho 3.24-Win32
> * Origin: The File Cabinet BBS [filecabi.casacam.net:1025] (1:154/110)

Can you by chance add these two lines to your Golded config, please?

CTRLINFO no
CTRLINFOECHO no

or

CTRLINFO tearline
CTRLINFOECHO tearline

The top set will get rid of the double tearline/origin line and let Synchronet do what it does. The second one will still add the Golded information, but at least it won't double up the origin line.

Regards,
Nick

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Hey RickV!

On Sun, Apr 06 2025 07:52:49 -0500, you wrote:

> X-FTN-PID: GED+W64 1.1.5-b20240306
> X-FTN-TID: SBBSecho 3.24-Win32 master/a745ac016 Apr 04 2025 MSC 1942

> So, I made the changes, lets see how this one comes out.


> RickV

> --- SBBSecho 3.24-Win32
> * Origin: The File Cabinet BBS [filecabi.casacam.net:1025] (1:154/110)

That looks a heck of a lot better!

Now if you hit ALT-V on your message to view hidden lines and kludges, you can see that Golded fills in the PID kludge when it doesn't use the tearline, as you can see I quoted above. Looks great!

Regards,
Nick

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Hello Nick.

23 Jul 70 11:36, you wrote to me:

NB> Hey RickV!

NB> On Sun, Apr 06 2025 07:52:49 -0500, you wrote:

>> X-FTN-PID: GED+W64 1.1.5-b20240306
>> X-FTN-TID: SBBSecho 3.24-Win32 master/a745ac016 Apr 04 2025 MSC
>> 1942

>> So, I made the changes, lets see how this one comes out.


>> RickV

>> --- SBBSecho 3.24-Win32
>> * Origin: The File Cabinet BBS [filecabi.casacam.net:1025]
>> (1:154/110)

NB> That looks a heck of a lot better!

NB> Now if you hit ALT-V on your message to view hidden lines and kludges,
NB> you can see that Golded fills in the PID kludge when it doesn't use
NB> the tearline, as you can see I quoted above. Looks great!

NB> Regards,

Thanks for that help! I did go back and change the CTRLINFOECHO TO TEARLINE, just to see how that come out.


RickV

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-=> RickV wrote to Gamgee <=-

DM>> Your ISP is likely blocking outbound connections to TCP port 25,
DM>> so you'll need to relay to TCP port 587 at mail.synchro.net as
DM>> documented here: https://wiki.synchro.net/howto:relay_smtp


Ri>> Enabled Yes
Ri>> Rescan Interval 1 hour
Ri>> Connect Timeout 10 seconds
Ri>> Auto-exempt Recipients Yes
Ri>> Max Delivery Attempts 50
Ri>> Delivery Method Relay
Ri>> Relay Server Address mail.synchro.net
Ri>> Relay Server TCP Port 25 <-----------------------
Ri>> Relay Server Authentication Plain
Ri>> Relay Server Username your-qwk-id
Ri>> Relay Server Password pass

Ri>> Why does this say port 25, and your telling me 587?

Ga> Jeezub, dude. He just told you why, right up there above where you
Ga> quoted it! Do you even read the replies you get??? WTF?

Ri> WOW, your first instinct is to attack the person asking a question,
Ri> because YOU think it's a dumb one, instead of "HELPING", or just not
Ri> saying something. I got his answer the first time and made the change,
Ri> it worked, I was a bit confussed by the way it was explaned on the
Ri> wiki, so I ask a question about that. Sorry I don't know everything
Ri> aboutthe Synchronet setup.

It wasn't my "first instinct"... or I would have replied to you about 14
messages ago...

But I mean, really - *LOOK* right up there above where he told you *WHY*
it had to be changed, and what port to change it to. Then, you
highlight the default port and asking him *WHY* is he telling you to
change it to 587... Come on man, don't you see how ridiculous that is?

Believe me, I don't know everything about SBBS setup either, but....
when I ask a question, and I get answer as to how to fix it, including
*WHY* that will fix it.... I do the change and thank them for the info -
NOT ask them why they're telling me to change something.



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Hey RickV!

On Sun, Apr 06 2025 09:52:57 -0500, you wrote:

> Thanks for that help! I did go back and change the CTRLINFOECHO TO
> TEARLINE, just to see how that come out.


> RickV

> === GoldED+/W64-MSVC 1.1.5-b20240306
> --- SBBSecho 3.24-Win32
> * Origin: The File Cabinet BBS [filecabi.casacam.net:1025] (1:154/110)

This is how it looks here. Your PID kludge is gone, now that you're using the tearline option.

Note: SBBSecho changes the "---" to "===" so there isn't two tearlines in your message.

Either way is fine, The first option makes your message look cleaner (less stuff under your signature), in my opinion. I was just trying to help you get rid of the origin line that was being repeated. You should also be able to use these same settings on your Mystic areas when you write to those.

Regards,
Nick

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Re: Re: Outbound E-mail Problem
By: Nick Boel to RickV on Sun Apr 06 2025 10:55:44

NB> This is how it looks here. Your PID kludge is gone, now that you're using
NB> the tearline option.

NB> Note: SBBSecho changes the "---" to "===" so there isn't two tearlines in
NB> your message.

NB> Either way is fine, The first option makes your message look cleaner (less
NB> stuff under your signature), in my opinion. I was just trying to help you
NB> get rid of the origin line that was being repeated. You should also be
NB> able to use these same settings on your Mystic areas when you write to
NB> those.

Thanks for the help, I appreciate it.

RickV
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Re: Outbound E-mail Problem
By: Digital Man to RickV on Sat Apr 05 2025 04:33 pm

> > Why does this say port 25
>
> Because that's the default value and you haven't changed it.
>
> > and your telling me 587?
>
> Correct.

https://i.imgur.com/ZIT2q8s.png

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Re: Outbound E-mail Problem
By: MRO to Digital Man on Sun Apr 06 2025 06:57 pm

> https://i.imgur.com/ZIT2q8s.png


I feel like you're trying to communicate. <shrug>
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From: "MRO" <mro@BBSESINF.remove-f4z-this>

To: Digital Man
Re: Outbound E-mail Problem
By: Digital Man to RickV on Sat Apr 05 2025 04:33 pm

> > Why does this say port 25
>
> Because that's the default value and you haven't changed it.
>
> > and your telling me 587?
>
> Correct.

https://i.imgur.com/ZIT2q8s.png

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Re: Outbound E-mail Problem
By: Digital Man to MRO on Sun Apr 06 2025 08:25 pm

> Re: Outbound E-mail Problem
> By: MRO to Digital Man on Sun Apr 06 2025 06:57 pm
>
> > https://i.imgur.com/ZIT2q8s.png

>
> I feel like you're trying to communicate. <shrug>

I'm just trying to help you grow a sense of humor.
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Re: Outbound E-mail Problem
By: MRO to alt.bbs.synchronet on Sun Apr 06 2025 07:57 am

> From Newsgroup: alt.bbs.synchronet
>
> + User FidoNet address: 1:396/4
> From: "MRO" <mro@BBSESINF.remove-f4z-this>
>
> To: Digital Man
> Re: Outbound E-mail Problem
> By: Digital Man to RickV on Sat Apr 05 2025 04:33 pm
>
> > > Why does this say port 25
>
> > Because that's the default value and you haven't changed it.
>
> > > and your telling me 587?
>
> > Correct.
>
> https://i.imgur.com/ZIT2q8s.png


is there an echo in here?
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Re: Outbound E-mail Problem
By: MRO to alt.bbs.synchronet on Mon Apr 07 2025 03:38 am

> By: MRO to alt.bbs.synchronet on Sun Apr 06 2025 07:57 am
>
> > From Newsgroup: alt.bbs.synchronet
>
> > + User FidoNet address: 1:396/4

> is there an echo in here?

Yes, and I've emailed the sysop of that FidoNet node multiple times about the issue. <shrug>
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Re: Outbound E-mail Problem
By: Digital Man to MRO on Mon Apr 07 2025 12:41 pm

> > is there an echo in here?
>
> Yes, and I've emailed the sysop of that FidoNet node multiple times about
> the issue. <shrug>


that's marc lewis, right? i'll try to get ahold of him.
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Re: Outbound E-mail Problem
By: Digital Man to MRO on Mon Apr 07 2025 12:41 pm

> > is there an echo in here?
>
> Yes, and I've emailed the sysop of that FidoNet node multiple times about
> the issue. <shrug>

So i emailed him and also i sent him a msg on his bbs. no reply to either.
He has been on his bbs since then and was there today.

so marc is ignoring it.
I would just filter it out.
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