There seems to be a LOT of bbs people using ai to make things.
And they don't give credit to AI. Just by the interfaces and graphics
I can tell it's AI.

they usually have this cover story, 'been working on this for years, finally Had time to finish it' type stuff.

Seriously, if you are going to use AI stop making up stories and just say you are using ai.

There's these 2 or more web bbses that are obviously made with ai. atleast the Claude bbs guy gives credit. The one from stingray doesn't.

Then there's people making doorgames and other bullshit i see on the bbs Reddit.

I think if you're using ai you should give credit where credit is due.



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Re: ai shit from bbs people.
By: MRO to All on Sat Jul 04 2026 07:01 pm

There seems to be a LOT of bbs people using ai to make things. And they don't give credit to AI. Just by the interfaces and graphics I can tell it's AI.

they usually have this cover story, 'been working on this for years, finally Had time to finish it' type stuff.

Seriously, if you are going to use AI stop making up stories and just say you are using ai.

I think if you're using ai you should give credit where credit is due.

AI has allowed me to do create more things in the last year or two than I've been able to do my entire 30+ years in tech. Anything I release publicly contains info somewhere that it was created with the help of AI (I release very few things publicly, though)

The first, "biggest" project I did was I created a way to install my most commonly used tools in a bash environment in one shot. I wanted to see how crazy I could get, so I gave it a warhammer 40k theme, and named it "Slaane.sh" (In WH40K, Slaanesh is the chaos god of excess, pleasure and perfection). I was dumbfounded at how well it came up with text, fluff, and instructions that fit the WH40K style.

I started the whole thing out a pretty simple prompt that went something along the lines of "you're installed on a system, this is the bash envirornment. make it portable, and modular" Then I came up with the "slaane.sh" idea, and started bolting things on from there.

However, I purposely beat it into submission, because it wanted to add info about Cursor, and later Claude to every git commit, just about every file, etc. It was irritating.

the contributors on github are me, and claude. and the second line of the readme says (in a WH40K style):

*Manifesto:* This unholy creation was wrong entirely by cogitators. (AI-assisted development). The Machine Spirit has been consulted, and it is pleased.

https://github.com/daitengu/slaane.sh


That said, I'm with you to a point. I find a lot of people who use AI to make things these days submit large amounts of "slop" (I may be included in that group). I think these projects/submissions should have clear notifications if that's the case. But then again, there are others like DM and Deuce that lean heavily on LLMs to design and write huge amounts of code in a very short time, They can do in a week what would have taken them months just to get in a working order. They can see whan an AI is starting to go off the rails when designing or writing something and generally don't just skim over the code assuming it's all correct, they know what they're looking at. (I'm thinking of SyncDOOM as a great example here)

So, to tl;dr this: I think for the most part AI-generated projects, especially by people who aren't senior-level programmers are pretty obvious when you dig into them for about 5 minutes. There's a certain stigma attached to using AI to help you write stuff (I definitely felt it in the beginning), but as it become more acceptable I think you're going to see a lot more "credit" given. especially since, as you said, it's so easy to identify.

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Re: ai shit from bbs people.
By: DaiTengu to MRO on Sun Jul 05 2026 01:12 pm

Re: ai shit from bbs people.
By: MRO to All on Sat Jul 04 2026 07:01 pm

There seems to be a LOT of bbs people using ai to make things. And they don't give credit to AI. Just by the interfaces and graphics I can tell it's AI.

AI has allowed me to do create more things in the last year or two than I've been able to do my entire 30+ years in tech. Anything I release

I think it should just be assumed (and really, not judged) that AI is going to be used by anyone serious about development. It's like saying "I used a computer to make this", well, yeah, that's assumed. You used the Internet, an editor (maybe), a compiler, library manager, linker, build/project manager, etc. as well. Just add AI to the list. I don't think disclaimers are needed.
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Re: ai shit from bbs people.
By: Digital Man to DaiTengu on Sun Jul 05 2026 02:39 pm

I think it should just be assumed (and really, not judged) that AI is going to be used by anyone serious about development. It's like saying "I used a computer to make this", well, yeah, that's assumed. You used the Internet, an > editor (maybe), a compiler, library manager, linker, build/project manager,
etc. as well. Just add AI to the list. I don't think disclaimers are needed. >

I think there should be a disclaimer if you have a co-contributer. I don't Think AI should be considered just a tool.

with ai you could be getting plagarized information, and in some cases perhaps It would violate the licensing of the old product or yours.


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Re: ai shit from bbs people.
By: Digital Man to DaiTengu on Sun Jul 05 2026 02:39 pm

There seems to be a LOT of bbs people using ai to make things. And
they don't give credit to AI. Just by the interfaces and graphics I
can tell it's AI.

I think it should just be assumed (and really, not judged) that AI is going to be used by anyone serious about development. It's like saying "I used a computer to make this", well, yeah, that's assumed. You used the Internet, an editor (maybe), a compiler, library manager, linker, build/project manager, etc. as well. Just add AI to the list. I don't think disclaimers are needed.

I agree, AI is just another tool at our disposal.
I mostly use AI to find things quicker, or Recently I had AI help create a windows background.
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Re: ai shit from bbs people.
By: MRO to Digital Man on Sun Jul 05 2026 08:27 pm

with ai you could be getting plagarized information, and in some cases perhaps It would violate the licensing of the old product or yours.

With human co-contributors you can get plagarized information too. Just assume AI is going to be used more often than not. And if AI isn't being used (at all? Not even for code review or testing?) - then I wouldn't think the project is very serious.
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Re: ai shit from bbs people.
By: MRO to Digital Man on Sun Jul 05 2026 08:27 pm

I think there should be a disclaimer if you have a co-contributer. I don't Think AI should be considered just a tool.

These days, AI is also used for features like IntelliCode in Microsoft Visual Studio - It tries to predict code you might want as you're typing (and there are many times it's actually fairly accurate). Should that be cited as a contributor as well? Code prediction like that feels like a tool to me..

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Re: ai shit from bbs people.
By: MRO to All on Sat Jul 04 2026 07:01 pm

Seriously, if you are going to use AI stop making up stories and just say you are using ai.
I think if you're using ai you should give credit where credit is due.

I think it's permeating into everything. I believe it's to easy to fire it up and turn it loose and say, "Good enough."
I can't stand it. So much for creativity.
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On 05 Jul 2026, Digital Man said the following...

I think it should just be assumed (and really, not judged) that AI is going to be used by anyone serious about development. It's like saying
"I used a computer to make this", well, yeah, that's assumed. You used
the Internet, an editor (maybe), a compiler, library manager, linker, build/project manager, etc. as well. Just add AI to the list. I don't think disclaimers are needed. --

ah, so now anyone who doesn't use AI isn't taking things seriously?

you're full of bad takes regarding AI. did you get in on some nvidia/amd/etc stock early?

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Re: Re: ai shit from bbs people.
By: fusion to Digital Man on Mon Jul 06 2026 06:54 pm

On 05 Jul 2026, Digital Man said the following...

I think it should just be assumed (and really, not judged) that AI is going to be used by anyone serious about development. It's like saying "I used a computer to make this", well, yeah, that's assumed. You used the Internet, an editor (maybe), a compiler, library manager, linker, build/project manager, etc. as well. Just add AI to the list. I don't think disclaimers are needed. --

ah, so now anyone who doesn't use AI isn't taking things seriously?

In the realm of software development (and I imagine many other realms), yes. At the last 3 firms I've worked, if a software developer ("engineer") wouldn't use AI tools, they were gone.

you're full of bad takes regarding AI. did you get in on some nvidia/amd/etc stock early?

Nope, just a professional using the available tools to get the best job done, as is expected of me.
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Re: ai shit from bbs people.
By: Digital Man to MRO on Sun Jul 05 2026 23:46:01

Re: ai shit from bbs people.
By: MRO to Digital Man on Sun Jul 05 2026 08:27 pm

with ai you could be getting plagarized information, and in some cases perhaps It would violate the licensing of the old product or yours.

With human co-contributors you can get plagarized information too. Just assume AI is going to be used more often than not. And if AI isn't being used (at all? Not even for code review or testing?) - then I wouldn't think the project is very serious.

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Re: ai shit from bbs people.
By: Hisacro to All on Mon Jul 06 2026 14:37:37

Re: ai shit from bbs people.
By: Digital Man to MRO on Sun Jul 05 2026 23:46:01

And if AI isn't being
used (at all? Not even for code review or testing?) - then I wouldn't think the project is very serious.

I totally disagree to this statement. My research group goes out of the way to explicitly produce scripts and codes without the use of AI for ethical usage.

And mind you, this package is in the booming field of computational chemistry and most of these are run exclusively on HPCs all over the world.

P.s: I was so taken by reading that statement, I accidently replied without my thoughts, sorry for the previous message.

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Re: ai shit from bbs people.
By: Hisacro to All on Mon Jul 06 2026 14:47:44

to explicitly produce scripts and codes without the use of AI for ethical usage.
And mind you, this package is in the booming field of computational

Now if you are thinking that's just one case, you are totally wrong!

The sentiment is same among many fields, I have also personally interacted with the developer of JuliaDynamics.jl and we share the similar sentiment of AI usage and no where it's used in the development.

Now if you look what that Julia package is, it's the leading Non-linear dynamics computing suite among all the languages.

We people out are fighting the ethical battle, and someone just randomly throws that "unless AI used, package is not serious".

Ignorance is definitely a BLISS!

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Re: ai shit from bbs people.
By: Hisacro to All on Mon Jul 06 2026 03:00 pm

We people out are fighting the ethical battle, and someone just randomly throws that "unless AI used, package is not serious".

Ignorance is definitely a BLISS!

You're welcome to your opinion, but it's no more informed than mine, I assure you. In the professional software development world, agentic development is here and it's only increasing in adoption and impact.
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Re: Re: ai shit from bbs people.
By: Digital Man to fusion on Mon Jul 06 2026 16:12:36

Nope, just a professional using the available tools to get the best job done, as is expected of me.

I have given enough examples of the people take in the "professional" settings that has usage to the real world.

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Re: ai shit from bbs people.
By: Digital Man to MRO on Sun Jul 05 2026 11:46 pm

By: MRO to Digital Man on Sun Jul 05 2026 08:27 pm

with ai you could be getting plagarized information, and in some cases perhaps It would violate the licensing of the old product or yours.

With human co-contributors you can get plagarized information too. Just assume AI is going to be used more often than not. And if AI isn't being used

With a human contributer then you can go after that guy.
if your ai steals something from someone and you stamp your name on it, it's on you. and a judge might not want to accept the using ai excuse at that point.

(at all? Not even for code review or testing?) - then I wouldn't think the project is very serious.

people got along just fine before ai. your opinion might be baised based on Your usage of AI.


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Re: ai shit from bbs people.
By: Digital Man to Hisacro on Mon Jul 06 2026 11:03 pm

By: Hisacro to All on Mon Jul 06 2026 03:00 pm

We people out are fighting the ethical battle, and someone just randomly throws that "unless AI used, package is not serious".

Ignorance is definitely a BLISS!

You're welcome to your opinion, but it's no more informed than mine, I assure you. In the professional software development world, agentic development is here and it's only increasing in adoption and impact.

There is a bit of everything.

A friend of mine works on life-critical software and the customer is paying extra in order to ensure no AI is used for code that runs in the final product. They allow for AI generation for unit tests, I think.

Then other friends of mine are getting harased because they are not consuming enough AI tokens despite the fact all the work is getting delivered within the deadlines. And they actually use a good bunch of AI.


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Re: ai shit from bbs people.
By: Digital Man to Hisacro on Mon Jul 06 2026 23:03:44

assure you. In the professional software development world, agentic development is here and it's only increasing in adoption and impact.

I'm not denying the development, your earlier statement was the problem!

It's saying since X is out there, people using Y are not serious.

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Re: ai shit from bbs people.
By: MRO to All on Sat Jul 04 2026 07:01 pm

There seems to be a LOT of bbs people using ai to make things.
And they don't give credit to AI. Just by the interfaces and graphics
I can tell it's AI.

I use AI alote <herm, not backspace, so enjoy the typos> because it's like an interactive encyclopedia. I learn a lot aboutt things I know nothing about. Insert caveats here about hallucinations etc. But it's useful.

What isn't useful, and what is bad, is using AI inseta... instead of one's brain. AI is great for learning programming. But if you use AI to vibe code everything, you don't learn much. And the result isn't trustworthy. Who has audieted the code? Nobody. "AI will audit it". It's a ^H^H^H not good enough imo.

But the main this^Hng is honesty. If you use AI, just say you use it and where.

Personally, iuf I vibe code a function, I ^H^H my goal is to wre^H^H^H rewrite it so it's my code. But even then i^HI'll indicate that it's AI related, been touched by ai, or inspired by it. Anythign less is decpetion. Deception, too.

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Re: ai shit from bbs people.
By: Digital Man to DaiTengu on Sun Jul 05 2026 02:39 pm

I think it should just be assumed (and really, not judged) that AI is going to be used by anyone serious about development. It's like saying "I used a computer to make this", well, yeah, that's assumed. You used the Internet, an editor (maybe), a compiler, library manager, linker, build/project manager, etc. as well. Just add AI to the list. I don't think disclaimers are needed.

If p^H I posted an AI generated paintaing and said "Here's my painting, what do you think?" It would be kind of deceptio^H ^Hve or delusional. IT's not my painting. IT's the AI's painting.

If you code an OS and say "He'^Hre's my OS!" It's not your OS. IT's the AIO's OS. You probably don't understand much about it. Because the AI did it for you.

So I thin kthere is a big difference between using a computer that you have to master to get something done, and having an AI one-shit^H^H--erm--ot it for you, then taking credit and money for it.

This is why honesty, and not a disclaim ^Her is important.

It also makes sense as a developer using AI to note where I^HAI was used, so that one can return to it for whatever purpose--auditing, rewriting, e^H whatever.

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Re: ai shit from bbs people.
By: Digital Man to MRO on Sun Jul 05 2026 11:46 pm

assume AI is going to be used more often than not. And if AI isn't being used (at all? Not even for code review or testing?) - then I wouldn't think the project is very serious.

Respectuflly dissagree. This is like saying a person isn't serious unless they have a Facebook page. Lots of credibly ^H^He people will code things themselves.

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Re: ai shit from bbs people.
By: Hebrix to Digital Man on Tue Jul 07 2026 01:18 pm

If you code an OS and say "He'^Hre's my OS!" It's not your OS. IT's the AIO' OS. You probably don't understand much about it. Because the AI did it for y

"Using AI" doesn't mean it does the entire thing for you. You can have AI write bits here and there that you incorporate into the final product. Does that still make it the AI's OS?

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Re: ai shit from bbs people.
By: Arelor to Digital Man on Tue Jul 07 2026 08:44:47

A friend of mine works on life-critical software and the customer is paying

This is a very good example!

Then other friends of mine are getting harased because they are not consuming enough AI tokens despite the fact all the work is getting

Funny enough, yesterday my friend was saying he ran out of weekly tokens and going home early since it will only weekly renew on Wednesday.

All I can do is eyeball him.

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Re: ai shit from bbs people.
By: MRO to Digital Man on Tue Jul 07 2026 04:51 am

(at all? Not even for code review or testing?) - then I wouldn't think the project is very serious.

people got along just fine before ai. your opinion might be baised based on Your usage of AI.

My opinion is absolutely biased by my usage of AI. First-hand experience usually is the best source of an informed opinion.
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Re: ai shit from bbs people.
By: Hebrix to Digital Man on Tue Jul 07 2026 01:18 pm

If you code an OS and say "He'^Hre's my OS!" It's not your OS. IT's the AIO'
OS. You probably don't understand much about it. Because the AI did it for y

"Using AI" doesn't mean it does the entire thing for you. You can have AI write
bits here and there that you incorporate into the final product. Does that still make it the AI's OS?

It can be good for checking scripts, config files, etc., for errors.


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Re: ai shit from bbs people.
By: Hebrix to Digital Man on Tue Jul 07 2026 01:18 pm

I think it should just be assumed (and really, not judged) that AI is going
to be used by anyone serious about development. It's like saying "I used a
computer to make this", well, yeah, that's assumed. You used the Internet,

If you code an OS and say "He'^Hre's my OS!" It's not your OS. IT's the AIO's OS. You probably don't understand much about it. Because the AI did it for you.

So I thin kthere is a big difference between using a computer that you have to master to get something done, and having an AI one-shit^H^H--erm--ot it for you, then taking credit and money for it.

You're talking about AI as if it's human, <sigh>, AI is just a tool, it's not a living organic being, maybe you indulge a bit to much in SciFi movies?
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Re: ai shit from bbs people.
By: Digital Man to MRO on Tue Jul 07 2026 03:25 pm

people got along just fine before ai. your opinion might be baised based on Your usage of AI.

My opinion is absolutely biased by my usage of AI. First-hand experience usually is the best source of an informed opinion.

maybe so but you could like it so much that you can't generate a true unbiased Opinion.




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Re: ai shit from bbs people.
By: MRO to Digital Man on Wed Jul 08 2026 04:37 am

people got along just fine before ai. your opinion might be baised based
on Your usage of AI.

My opinion is absolutely biased by my usage of AI. First-hand experience
usually is the best source of an informed opinion.

maybe so but you could like it so much that you can't generate a true unbiased Opinion.

Here, let's take it from my point of view: I think LLMs are an abomination, they're going to cause a massive drop in software engineers' ability to code things by hand, and potentially will contribute to the "dumbing down" of society.

BUT, I agree with everthing DM has said. "Serious" may not be the best description, but it fits. Basically anyone who writes code that's not just their own little solo-side-project is probably using some kind of AI-assistance.

Plagiarism in software engineering isn't much of a concern, because there's only so many ways you can write a function. In the end it's all about how you put those functions together. For decades people have been copy/pasting code snippits off of places like Stackoverflow into their own programs, this isn't much different.

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Re: ai shit from bbs people.
By: Outlaw to Hebrix on Tue Jul 07 2026 23:02:46

You're talking about AI as if it's human, <sigh>, AI is just a tool, it's not a living organic being, maybe you indulge a bit to much in SciFi movies?

I don't see it that, maybe can you please mind enlightening us how they are talking it as human?

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Re: Re: ai shit from bbs people.
By: Digital Man to fusion on Mon Jul 06 2026 04:12 pm

ah, so now anyone who doesn't use AI isn't taking things seriously?

In the realm of software development (and I imagine many other realms), yes. At the last 3 firms I've worked, if a software developer ("engineer") wouldn't use AI tools, they were gone.

My excperience with AI is similar. I'm also work as a sodftware developer, and a lot of companies are pushing for using AI tools to help get things done faster. And in my experience, AI software development tools do help; it's another tool to use for productivity.

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Re: ai shit from bbs people.
By: Hisacro to All on Mon Jul 06 2026 02:47 pm

I totally disagree to this statement. My research group goes out of the way to explicitly produce scripts and codes without the use of AI for ethical usage.

Although AI tools are trained with existing data, I still wonder about ethical usage. When using AI tools, you're still creating something new and different. And for software development, even though you can use AI to completely create something ("vibe coding"), I'm not sure that's the most optimal way to use it, as you'd still be spending a lot of time guiding the AI to do things. For now, I feel like a more optimal use may be to use AI tools to help aid some tasks, especially ones that are more difficult. And I think it's always good to check what the AI is producing and modify it as you see fit.

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Re: ai shit from bbs people.
By: Hisacro to All on Mon Jul 06 2026 02:47 pm

I totally disagree to this statement. My research group goes out of the way to explicitly produce scripts and codes without the use of AI for ethical usage.

Another thing about the ethical angle: In my experience, companies want their employees to be using AI tools to increase productivity. Time is money, so if you're not using all the tools available to make you as productive as possible (thus, making the employer spend more money via your salary to get a project done), I think that could be seen as not ethical from the company's standpoint.

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Re: ai shit from bbs people.
By: MRO to Digital Man on Tue Jul 07 2026 04:51 am

people got along just fine before ai. your opinion might be baised based on Your usage of AI.

The same argument could be made for many things. People got along just fine before automobiles; people got along just fine before cell phones, and so on..

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Re: ai shit from bbs people.
By: Hebrix to MRO on Tue Jul 07 2026 01:12 pm

What isn't useful, and what is bad, is using AI inseta... instead of one's brain. AI is great for learning programming. But if you use AI to vibe code everything, you don't learn much. And the result isn't trustworthy. Who has audieted the code? Nobody. "AI will audit it". It's a ^H^H^H not good enough imo.

For software developers, I agree. But for people who aren't software developers (who haven't learned that skill and aren't software developers as their primary job function), I can see vibe coding as a way to help develop things for them.

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Re: ai shit from bbs people.
By: Hebrix to Digital Man on Tue Jul 07 2026 01:18 pm

If p^H I posted an AI generated paintaing and said "Here's my painting, what do you think?" It would be kind of deceptio^H ^Hve or delusional. IT's not my painting. IT's the AI's painting.

If you code an OS and say "He'^Hre's my OS!" It's not your OS. IT's the AIO's OS. You probably don't understand much about it. Because the AI did it for you.

Software developers already tend to Google things fairly often, and look on sites like stackoverflow.com and others for advice and examples of how to accomplish tasks in software development. I don't think it's really that much different to use an AI tool to help.

Also, there have already been tool prediction and auto-complete tools for a while, before the AI tools became available. Is that really any different?
Auto-complete and Googling & such are tools that software developers have already been using for years.

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Re: ai shit from bbs people.
By: DaiTengu to MRO on Wed Jul 08 2026 08:56 am

Plagiarism in software engineering isn't much of a concern, because there's only so many ways you can write a function. In the end it's all about how you put those functions together. For decades people have been copy/pasting code snippits off of places like Stackoverflow into their own programs, this isn't much different.

That's exactly my thought as well. Googling and finding examples has always been a very common practice in software development, because nobody knows everything. I don't think using AI tools is much different in that regard.

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Re: ai shit from bbs people.
By: MRO to Digital Man on Wed Jul 08 2026 04:37 am

My opinion is absolutely biased by my usage of AI. First-hand experience usually is the best source of an informed opinion.

maybe so but you could like it so much that you can't generate a true unbiased Opinion.

I don't like the idea that there could (maybe) be less demand for programmers (though, I think that fear is as-of-yet-unproven).

But my opinion (that agentic engineering is now "the way") is mostly based on my personal observations in the workplace - household (Mag 7) names. Programmers have been "let go" because of their refusal to use AI tools and those that have/do embraced them the most, are producing higher quality and quantity of work (on average) than ever before.
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So I thin kthere is a big difference between using a computer that you have
to master to get something done, and having an AI one-shit^H^H--erm--ot it
for you, then taking credit and money for it.

You're talking about AI as if it's human, <sigh>, AI is just a tool, it's not a living organic being, maybe you indulge a bit to much in SciFi movies?
Nothing wrong with SciFi unless you believe it's 100% real.
as Spock would say "it's not logical".

I don't think that is what the OP meant. I somewhat get their point. If you are letting AI code something and then passing it off completely as your own, while you are not stealing it from a human, you are still taking credit for something you didn't do.

Some people work places that expect them to use AI "or else" to assist or do their coding, so that is a different ballgame.

I have not really noticed anyone taking 100% credit for something they used AI on. I feel like DM and most others I am aware of have been pretty open about how they are using AI. I have even asked a couple of the BBS developers that I know use AI for advice as to how helpful it was to them.


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Re: ai shit from bbs people.
By: Outlaw to Digital Man on Sun Jul 05 2026 20:34:48

yeah i think AI is here to stay ... unfortunately i think its just a reality that we all have to get used to .
i mean i use it from time to time to find answers to things quicker when i get stumped ... i dont like admitting it but hey it is a handy tool to have in the pocket !

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Re: Re: ai shit from bbs people.
By: Dumas Walker to Outlaw on Wed Jul 08 2026 11:06 pm

I have not really noticed anyone taking 100% credit for something they used AI on. I feel like DM and most others I am aware of have been pretty open about how they are using AI. I have even asked a couple of the BBS developers that I know use AI for advice as to how helpful it was to them.

Yeah, and I don't really see a problem with that. As DM has stated, it's another software developer tool, for helping get work done. And I feel like it's conceptually not much different from Googling, finding examples, etc., which software developers have already been doing for decades.

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