Those of you that carry, what do you carry or prefer? I find my G19 Gen5
is comfortable, however, somtimes I will carry a 1911 platform with 8rd mags
and one round chambered. Only issue I have is finding a good holster for the
G19. I still debate putting a light on it though.

What is your carry of choice fellow DOVE Net users?

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Re: Carry Pistols
By: Limawhiskey to All on Mon Dec 05 2022 05:35 pm

Li> Those of you that carry, what do you carry or prefer? I find my G19 Gen5
Li> is comfortable, however, somtimes I will carry a 1911 platform with 8rd
Li> mags and one round chambered. Only issue I have is finding a good holster
Li> for the G19. I still debate putting a light on it though.

I have an H&K VP9. I'll be honest, it's a bit heavy to carry, but with the giant meathooks I call hands, I fumble around with anything smaller.

I had an alien holster for the VP9, but the thing fell apart on me.

It's honestly been a few years since I've actually carried, mostly because I don't go anywhere.

DaiTengu

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Re: Carry Pistols
By: Limawhiskey to All on Mon Dec 05 2022 05:35 pm

Li> Those of you that carry, what do you carry or prefer? I find my G19 Gen5
Li> is comfortable, however, somtimes I will carry a 1911 platform with 8rd
Li> mags and one round chambered. Only issue I have is finding a good holster
Li> for the G19. I still debate putting a light on it though.

Up here in Canada, you can get life for carrying a photo of a handgun. So much more errrr... civilized down there.

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Re: Carry Pistols
By: Limawhiskey to All on Mon Dec 05 2022 05:35 pm

> Those of you that carry, what do you carry or prefer? I find my G19 G
> is comfortable, however, somtimes I will carry a 1911 platform with 8rd mags
> and one round chambered. Only issue I have is finding a good holster for th
> G19. I still debate putting a light on it though.
>
> What is your carry of choice fellow DOVE Net users?
>
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If it was legal here or I were willing to break the law and admit it on a
public forum, I would go with a Llama .38 revolver. I am tired of semi-autos
because I see so many get stuck in the shooting range.

This brings the question: how is people carrying single action semis these
days? Do they holster it with a chambered round and the safety on?

BTW I think a bowie knife is also a great carry if you are big enough to pack
it. A regular person spends more time cutting and chopping things than shooting
at stuff anyway. If it was legal here or I were willing to break the law and
admit it on a public forum, I'd carry a Ka-Bar Heavy Bowie in a custom sheath
(because the one it comes with is lame).

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Re: Carry Pistols
By: Arelor to Limawhiskey on Tue Dec 06 2022 01:21 pm

In regards to single action semi autos, (such as my 1911) I carry one in the chamber, hammer back and on safe. Now, it is not an old 1911 so it also features a firing pin block as well. Some people are not comfortable with that, however, the gun will not go off unless I do the following

1. Release the manual saftey
2. Activate the grip saftey
3. Pull the trigger

Personaly in my experience and time as a cavalry scout in the US Army, it takes way to long to rack a slide when you need to draw and use/point that pistol quickly. Opinons and mileage for the same may vary...

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Re: Carry Pistols
By: Limawhiskey to Arelor on Wed Dec 07 2022 10:44 am

> In regards to single action semi autos, (such as my 1911) I carry on
> will not go off unless I do the following
>
> 1. Release the manual saftey
> 2. Activate the grip saftey
> 3. Pull the trigger
>

That sounds safer than my .38. It has no safety. It has one of those firing-pin
blockers designed to prevent it from going off if something hits the hammer
accidentally, and that is it. Maybe the manufacturer thought making the trigger
hard as heck counted as a safety measure.

But hey, the guy that sold it to me warned me that it was only good for putting
cattle reustlers on their knees and executing them point blank, because it is
too junky for anything else. I guess I can't complain XD

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> Those of you that carry, what do you carry or prefer? I find my G19
> Gen5 is comfortable, however, somtimes I will carry a 1911 platform with 8rd
> mags and one round chambered. Only issue I have is finding a good holster
> for the G19. I still debate putting a light on it though.

> What is your carry of choice fellow DOVE Net users?

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Kinda depends. I prefer a full-sized platform, my SW model 645 is my
preferred. Same basic size as the 1911, but with DA/SA action, ambidextrous
safety and a decocker when safety is engaged.

Problem is, I'm a fairly big guy and while the 645 works well for me when I'm
getting in and out of my Tahoe, if I'm driving my Grand Prix or Fusion, ingress
and egress is a bit tighter, so I need to go with a smaller platform. On those
days, I go with the Taurus PT-145, .45 ACP like the 645, but with a 10 round
mag, so I carry only one spare rather than the two with the SW.

And if I need more concealment than the PT-145 Pro offers, there's always the
J-frame .38 or even a compact .380 LCP.

Backup is LCP in a pocket holster....

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On 05 Dec 2022, Limawhiskey said the following...

Li> @VIA: FRUGALBB
Li> @MSGID: <638E7220.919.dove-firearms@frugalbbs.com>
Li> @TZ: 412c
Li> Those of you that carry, what do you carry or prefer? I find my
Li> G19 Gen5 is comfortable, however, somtimes I will carry a 1911 platform
Li> with 8rd mags and one round chambered. Only issue I have is finding a
Li> good holster for the G19. I still debate putting a light on it though.
Li>
Li> What is your carry of choice fellow DOVE Net users?
Li> ---

I use DA/SA hammer fire handguns for carry. I see that you use, at times, a 1911. The only reason I wouldn't carry a 1911 is that it's a single action trigger. You'd either have to carry it fully cocked or cock it before you need to use it.

I will be getting a Beretta PX4 Storm. It comes in 3 sizes, full, compact and sub-compact. You can have one in the chamber and use the de-cocker to relax the hammer back on to the pistol. De-cocking the gun will make it less likely that you don't shoot your own cock while you carry it around.

I've heard all the arguments about how striker fire guns are safe when they are holstered ... I just can't bring myself to carrying anything other than what I described above.

IB Joe
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A Smith & Wesson model 10 with either 2" or 4" barrel in an appendix holster. Whichever barrel length fits better for the day's plan gets the nod. As for the holster, I baked the kydex myself.

While totally different than a single-action automatic, I lopped both hammer spurs off so they are double-action-only.

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Re: Carry Pistols
By: Arelor to Limawhiskey on Wed Dec 07 2022 01:51 pm

Arelor,

Those double action revolver triggers, (particularly on snubs) can be stiff as the devil himself. I will say, something that goes bang is better than nothing. There are a lot of different loads in .38 and many can be handloaded with a kit that is less than $90. (It may be cheaper, my memory is lacking.)

Take a look at some defensive loads in .38. It is a very adaptable caliber for what it is. I shoot it some in my Single Action Army revolver in .38 / .357. Hopefully, you never need it and it just weighs down the belt and sits on the bedstand.

- Your American Friend, Limawhiskey

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Re: Carry Pistols
By: Limawhiksey to Arelor on Wed Dec 07 2022 08:44 pm

> Re: Carry Pistols
> By: Arelor to Limawhiskey on Wed Dec 07 2022 01:51 pm
>
> Arelor,
>
> Those double action revolver triggers, (particularly on snubs) can b
> less than $90. (It may be cheaper, my memory is lacking.)
>
> Take a look at some defensive loads in .38. It is a very adaptable c
>
> - Your American Friend, Limawhiskey
>
> ---
> þ Synchronet

About half of the ammo I have around are paper cutters for target shooting
because that is what stores around have. They are nice for the range because
they don't kick that much, but I'd rather have something else if the Nazi
Communists Martians come down one day and try to invade my house. I also have
some regular ammo - aka. security guard ammo - and that is it.

Handloading here is kind of restricted. You need to take a certification from
the local Target Shooting gov-sanctioned club, but I dislike those guys enough
that I' d rather tear a tooth off rather than pay them a penny if I don't have
to. I am sure I could get a reloading kit anyway but I spend so little ammo I
can't be bothered.


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Re: Carry Pistols
By: Arelor to Limawhiskey on Tue Dec 06 2022 01:21 pm

> Re: Carry Pistols
> By: Limawhiskey to All on Mon Dec 05 2022 05:35 pm
>
> > Those of you that carry, what do you carry or prefer? I find my G1
> > is comfortable, however, somtimes I will carry a 1911 platform with 8rd m
> > and one round chambered. Only issue I have is finding a good holster for
> > G19. I still debate putting a light on it though.
> >
> > What is your carry of choice fellow DOVE Net users?
> >
> > ---
> > þ Synchronet þ Frugal Computing BBS - frugalbbs.com
>
> If it was legal here or I were willing to break the law and admit it on a
> public forum, I would go with a Llama .38 revolver. I am tired of semi-autos
> because I see so many get stuck in the shooting range.
>
> This brings the question: how is people carrying single action semis these
> days? Do they holster it with a chambered round and the safety on?
>
> BTW I think a bowie knife is also a great carry if you are big enough to pac
> it. A regular person spends more time cutting and chopping things than shoot
> at stuff anyway. If it was legal here or I were willing to break the law and
> admit it on a public forum, I'd carry a Ka-Bar Heavy Bowie in a custom sheat
> (because the one it comes with is lame).
>
> --
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>
Most modern firearms can be carried cocked and loaded. With pistols like the
Glock and M&P, they have the two piece trigger that acts like a safety until
it is properly pulled. When seconds count, cycling a slide will take too long
.

Regardless of double action or single action, a hammer can be pulled back as
the pistol is removed from the holster. Same applies with the safety.

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Re: Carry Pistols
By: Arelor to Limawhiksey on Sun Dec 11 2022 01:32 pm

> Re: Carry Pistols
> By: Limawhiksey to Arelor on Wed Dec 07 2022 08:44 pm
>
> > Re: Carry Pistols
> > By: Arelor to Limawhiskey on Wed Dec 07 2022 01:51 pm
> >
> > Arelor,
> >
> > Those double action revolver triggers, (particularly on snubs) ca
> > less than $90. (It may be cheaper, my memory is lacking.)
> >
> > Take a look at some defensive loads in .38. It is a very adaptabl
> >
> > - Your American Friend, Limawhiskey
> >
> > ---
> > þ Synchronet
>
> About half of the ammo I have around are paper cutters for target shooting
> because that is what stores around have. They are nice for the range because
> they don't kick that much, but I'd rather have something else if the Nazi
> Communists Martians come down one day and try to invade my house. I also hav
> some regular ammo - aka. security guard ammo - and that is it.
>
> Handloading here is kind of restricted. You need to take a certification fro
> the local Target Shooting gov-sanctioned club, but I dislike those guys enou
> that I' d rather tear a tooth off rather than pay them a penny if I don't ha
> to. I am sure I could get a reloading kit anyway but I spend so little ammo
> can't be bothered.
>
>
> --
> gopher://gopher.richardfalken.com/1/richardfalken
>

Handloading is hobby that feeds another hobby, and doesn't save much money.
You spend the same money, but you soot more with it. I run a couple single
stage presses, but if I got into shooting competitively, I would have to inves
t in a progressive press to keep up with empty brass to loaded ammo ratio. I
am what you call a rainy day reloader. If it is too cold or wet outside,
I'll be down in my basement sizing and trimming brass or loading cases.

I only recommend reloading for those who are willing to make the time, since
it is a hobby in itself.

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Re: Carry Pistols
By: Limawhiskey to All on Mon Dec 05 2022 17:35:12

> Those of you that carry, what do you carry or prefer? I find my

I carry a Berreta PX4 Storm .40 in a shoulder holster when it's cold and on my kidney when it's warm. I also carry a Springfield XDS 9mm on my ankle.

I like to be prepared.


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Re: Carry Pistols
By: Limawhiskey to All on Mon Dec 05 2022 17:35:12

> Those of you that carry, what do you carry or prefer? I find my G19 G
> is comfortable, however, somtimes I will carry a 1911 platform with 8rd mags
> and one round chambered. Only issue I have is finding a good holster for th
> G19. I still debate putting a light on it though.
>
> What is your carry of choice fellow DOVE Net users?

I love my Kimber Ultra Carry II. Just fits like a glove. Close runner and my
goto alternative is Sig Sauer P938.

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-=> Limawhiskey wrote to All <=-

Li> Those of you that carry, what do you carry or prefer? I find my
Li> G19 Gen5 is comfortable, however, somtimes I will carry a 1911 platform
Li> with 8rd mags and one round chambered. Only issue I have is finding a
Li> good holster for the G19. I still debate putting a light on it though.

Li> What is your carry of choice fellow DOVE Net users?

.40 Shield first gen

wife carries a P365 XL w/Romeo Zero. Shoots GREAT, but is just a TOUCH
small for my hand... Love the flat trigger though, and the red dot!

If I ever invest in a replacement will likely be a Shield Plus. I do
like sticking with .40, but much more 9mm (or .30SC) sounds good too...




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-=> Arelor wrote to Limawhiskey <=-

Ar> If it was legal here or I were willing to break the law and admit it on
Ar> a public forum, I would go with a Llama .38 revolver. I am tired of
Ar> semi-autos because I see so many get stuck in the shooting range.

Is it the airplane or the pilot? :-)

Ar> This brings the question: how is people carrying single action semis
Ar> these days? Do they holster it with a chambered round and the safety
Ar> on?

Mine is not a SA, but is a striker fired. It has NO manual safety, but
there is a trigger safety. I carry it chambered and 'hot.'

Ar> BTW I think a bowie knife is also a great carry if you are big enough
Ar> to pack it. A regular person spends more time cutting and chopping
Ar> things than shooting at stuff anyway. If it was legal here or I were
Ar> willing to break the law and admit it on a public forum, I'd carry a
Ar> Ka-Bar Heavy Bowie in a custom sheath (because the one it comes with is
Ar> lame).

My backup is a tactical pen. I can carry it where a gun is not legal, and
it makes for a great 'poker!'




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-=> Arelor wrote to Limawhiskey <=-

Ar> That sounds safer than my .38. It has no safety. It has one of those
Ar> firing-pin blockers designed to prevent it from going off if something
Ar> hits the hammer accidentally, and that is it. Maybe the manufacturer
Ar> thought making the trigger hard as heck counted as a safety measure.

Like the police safety on the Glocks? :-)




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Mo> Handloading is hobby that feeds another hobby, and doesn't save much
Mo> money. You spend the same money, but you soot more with it. I run a
Mo> couple single stage presses, but if I got into shooting competitively,
Mo> I would have to inves t in a progressive press to keep up with empty
Mo> brass to loaded ammo ratio. I am what you call a rainy day reloader.
Mo> If it is too cold or wet outside, I'll be down in my basement sizing
Mo> and trimming brass or loading cases.

Mo> I only recommend reloading for those who are willing to make the time,
Mo> since it is a hobby in itself.

I have thought about it before, but I have hobbies already that take
time, that I'd rather be doing. :-)

My youngest son has talked about it, and if it was something we could
do TOGETHER? That's another story!




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Re: Re: Carry Pistols
By: Jimmy Anderson to Arelor on Thu Jan 05 2023 01:24 pm

> Ar> If it was legal here or I were willing to break the law and admit it on
> Ar> a public forum, I would go with a Llama .38 revolver. I am tired of
> Ar> semi-autos because I see so many get stuck in the shooting range.
>
> Is it the airplane or the pilot? :-)
>

The old Astra semi-autos in my regular shooting range, which they have for lending to
new shooters, certainly count as defective crap. There were a couple of them I have
never seen discharge a whole magazine without getting jammed.

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Re: Re: Carry Pistols
By: Jimmy Anderson to Arelor on Thu Jan 05 2023 01:24 pm

> Ar> BTW I think a bowie knife is also a great carry if you are big enough
> Ar> to pack it. A regular person spends more time cutting and chopping
> Ar> things than shooting at stuff anyway. If it was legal here or I were
> Ar> willing to break the law and admit it on a public forum, I'd carry a
> Ar> Ka-Bar Heavy Bowie in a custom sheath (because the one it comes with is
> Ar> lame).
>
> My backup is a tactical pen. I can carry it where a gun is not legal, and
> it makes for a great 'poker!'
>

I am not a fan of so called tactical pens. For one thing, they don't cut. Knives don't
write, but if you need to write something you are more likely to find a pen lying
around than a good knife. ie. if I am at home and need to pick a pen for taking a
note, I will find one in a drawer. If I am in the horseyard and one of the horses gets
entangled with a rope, I won't have a knife unless I pack one myself.

There is also the fact that no LEO is getting fooled by a tactical pen. It is gonna be
classified as a weapon. If you are going to carry something that will be classified as
a weapon with the intention of using it as a weapon, you may as well pack the real
deal.

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-=> Arelor wrote to Jimmy Anderson <=-

Ar> Re: Re: Carry Pistols
Ar> By: Jimmy Anderson to Arelor on Thu Jan 05 2023 01:24 pm

> Ar> If it was legal here or I were willing to break the law and admit it on
> Ar> a public forum, I would go with a Llama .38 revolver. I am tired of
> Ar> semi-autos because I see so many get stuck in the shooting range.
>
> Is it the airplane or the pilot? :-)
>

Ar> The old Astra semi-autos in my regular shooting range, which they have
Ar> for lending to new shooters, certainly count as defective crap. There
Ar> were a couple of them I have never seen discharge a whole magazine
Ar> without getting jammed.

Ah - so a GOOD QUALITY semi-auto would be fine then?




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-=> Arelor wrote to Jimmy Anderson <=-

> My backup is a tactical pen. I can carry it where a gun is not legal, and
> it makes for a great 'poker!'
>

Ar> I am not a fan of so called tactical pens. For one thing, they don't
Ar> cut. Knives don't write, but if you need to write something you are
Ar> more likely to find a pen lying around than a good knife. ie. if I am
Ar> at home and need to pick a pen for taking a note, I will find one in a
Ar> drawer. If I am in the horseyard and one of the horses gets entangled
Ar> with a rope, I won't have a knife unless I pack one myself.

I carry a pocketknife also, but even that is not allowed some places.

Ar> There is also the fact that no LEO is getting fooled by a tactical pen.
Ar> It is gonna be classified as a weapon. If you are going to carry
Ar> something that will be classified as a weapon with the intention of
Ar> using it as a weapon, you may as well pack the real deal.

Not worrieda about LEO when it comes to a posted area like a movie
theater, bank, school, etc.

And I'm not trying to 'fool' any body with it. It's my backup in the
event someone tries to wrestle with my gun hand, preventing a draw.
The pen is in my shirt pocket and I can grab it with either hand, but
it's also 'better than nothing' if I can't carry my gun...





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Re: Re: Carry Pistols
By: Jimmy Anderson to Arelor on Sat Jan 07 2023 09:59 pm

> -=> Arelor wrote to Jimmy Anderson <=-
>
> > My backup is a tactical pen. I can carry it where a gun is not legal, and
> > it makes for a great 'poker!'
> >
>
> Ar> I am not a fan of so called tactical pens. For one thing, they don't
> Ar> cut. Knives don't write, but if you need to write something you are
> Ar> more likely to find a pen lying around than a good knife. ie. if I am
> Ar> at home and need to pick a pen for taking a note, I will find one in a
> Ar> drawer. If I am in the horseyard and one of the horses gets entangled
> Ar> with a rope, I won't have a knife unless I pack one myself.
>
> I carry a pocketknife also, but even that is not allowed some places.
>
> Ar> There is also the fact that no LEO is getting fooled by a tactical pen.
> Ar> It is gonna be classified as a weapon. If you are going to carry
> Ar> something that will be classified as a weapon with the intention of
> Ar> using it as a weapon, you may as well pack the real deal.
>
> Not worrieda about LEO when it comes to a posted area like a movie
> theater, bank, school, etc.
>
> And I'm not trying to 'fool' any body with it. It's my backup in the
> event someone tries to wrestle with my gun hand, preventing a draw.
> The pen is in my shirt pocket and I can grab it with either hand, but
> it's also 'better than nothing' if I can't carry my gun...
>
>
>
>
>
> ... Every crowd has a silver lining - Phineas Taylor Barnum

Situational awareness is you greatest tool. Refuse to be a victim by
avoiding becoming a victim. If someone is watching you as if something is goi
ng to happen, the chances are you casually pause and look around and see if
someone else is looking suspicious. If you can walk on the opposite side of
an obstacle and not forced to be in close proximity with a person is quick and
easy. Look out for peple in parking lots, or if there were several open
parking spots, but a van parked along side you. Then van situation is
normally advised to women because an attacker can be waiting in the van, thne
open the side door and grab the victim as they are trying to unlock their
car. I knew a state policeman who gave that advice to everyone, because
abduction by van was common when he was doing VIP protection working as an MP
while deployed in Germany in the Army.

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> -=> Arelor wrote to Jimmy Anderson <=-

> > My backup is a tactical pen. I can carry it where a gun is not legal, and
> > it makes for a great 'poker!'


> Ar> I am not a fan of so called tactical pens. For one thing, they don't
> Ar> cut. Knives don't write, but if you need to write something you are
> Ar> more likely to find a pen lying around than a good knife. ie. if I am
> Ar> at home and need to pick a pen for taking a note, I will find one in a
> Ar> drawer. If I am in the horseyard and one of the horses gets entangled
> Ar> with a rope, I won't have a knife unless I pack one myself.

> I carry a pocketknife also, but even that is not allowed some places.

> Ar> There is also the fact that no LEO is getting fooled by a tactical pen.
> Ar> It is gonna be classified as a weapon. If you are going to carry
> Ar> something that will be classified as a weapon with the intention of
> Ar> using it as a weapon, you may as well pack the real deal.

> Not worrieda about LEO when it comes to a posted area like a movie
> theater, bank, school, etc.

> And I'm not trying to 'fool' any body with it. It's my backup in the
> event someone tries to wrestle with my gun hand, preventing a draw.
> The pen is in my shirt pocket and I can grab it with either hand, but
> it's also 'better than nothing' if I can't carry my gun...


> ... Every crowd has a silver lining - Phineas Taylor Barnum

For that reason I always keep my pocket knife (which is a one hand open design)
in my support hand pocket and I use the clip on the side so I don't have to dig
deep. My primary backup is in the strong hand pocket, a .380 with 11 rounds
loaded is a pretty decent backup, I think.

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Re: Re: Carry Pistols
By: Jimmy Anderson to Arelor on Sat Jan 07 2023 09:56 pm

>
> Ar> The old Astra semi-autos in my regular shooting range, which they have
> Ar> for lending to new shooters, certainly count as defective crap. There
> Ar> were a couple of them I have never seen discharge a whole magazine
> Ar> without getting jammed.
>
> Ah - so a GOOD QUALITY semi-auto would be fine then?

Yes, it would be fine, but I got thrauma from those Astras so I'd rather stay
with the Llama.

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Re: Re: Carry Pistols
By: Weatherman to Jimmy Anderson on Sun Jan 08 2023 07:43 am

> > -=> Arelor wrote to Jimmy Anderson <=-
>
> > > My backup is a tactical pen. I can carry it where a gun is not legal,
> > > it makes for a great 'poker!'
>
>
> > Ar> I am not a fan of so called tactical pens. For one thing, they don't
> > Ar> cut. Knives don't write, but if you need to write something you are
> > Ar> more likely to find a pen lying around than a good knife. ie. if I a
> > Ar> at home and need to pick a pen for taking a note, I will find one in
> > Ar> drawer. If I am in the horseyard and one of the horses gets entangle
> > Ar> with a rope, I won't have a knife unless I pack one myself.
>
> > I carry a pocketknife also, but even that is not allowed some places.
>
> > Ar> There is also the fact that no LEO is getting fooled by a tactical p
> > Ar> It is gonna be classified as a weapon. If you are going to carry
> > Ar> something that will be classified as a weapon with the intention of
> > Ar> using it as a weapon, you may as well pack the real deal.
>
> > Not worrieda about LEO when it comes to a posted area like a movie
> > theater, bank, school, etc.
>
> > And I'm not trying to 'fool' any body with it. It's my backup in the
> > event someone tries to wrestle with my gun hand, preventing a draw.
> > The pen is in my shirt pocket and I can grab it with either hand, but
> > it's also 'better than nothing' if I can't carry my gun...
>
>
> > ... Every crowd has a silver lining - Phineas Taylor Barnum
>
> For that reason I always keep my pocket knife (which is a one hand open desi
> in my support hand pocket and I use the clip on the side so I don't have to
> deep. My primary backup is in the strong hand pocket, a .380 with 11 rounds
> loaded is a pretty decent backup, I think.
>
> Regards,
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>
Tactical pens and other pokey devices have value. A tactical pen or letter
opener can pierce a lung or an artery in a neck. Your choice of attack
points need to be critical in order for the other guy to rethink what he does
next.

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>
Mo> Tactical pens and other pokey devices have value. A tactical pen or
Mo> letter opener can pierce a lung or an artery in a neck. Your choice of
Mo> attack points need to be critical in order for the other guy to rethink
Mo> what he does next.

Agreed! And in a situation where you only have a pointy thing and there's
an active shooter or something... If you can't hide, go for the eyes!




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-=> MOONDOG wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-

MO> Situational awareness is you greatest tool. Refuse to be a victim by
MO> avoiding becoming a victim. If someone is watching you as if something

Agreed! 100%!

The rest of your stuff is worth repeating too!


MO> is goi ng to happen, the chances are you casually pause and look around
MO> and see if someone else is looking suspicious. If you can walk on the
MO> opposite side of an obstacle and not forced to be in close proximity
MO> with a person is quick and
MO> easy. Look out for peple in parking lots, or if there were several
MO> open parking spots, but a van parked along side you. Then van
MO> situation is normally advised to women because an attacker can be
MO> waiting in the van, thne open the side door and grab the victim as they
MO> are trying to unlock their car. I knew a state policeman who gave that
MO> advice to everyone, because abduction by van was common when he was
MO> doing VIP protection working as an MP while deployed in Germany in the
MO> Army.




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-=> WEATHERMAN wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-

WE> For that reason I always keep my pocket knife (which is a one hand open
WE> design) in my support hand pocket and I use the clip on the side so I
WE> don't have to dig deep. My primary backup is in the strong hand
WE> pocket, a .380 with 11 rounds loaded is a pretty decent backup, I
WE> think.

Yep! Great ideas!

My wife has an LCP II in .380 that is a great little backup! I've
thought of getting a MAX...




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Re: Carry Pistols
By: Nuke to Limawhiskey on Fri Dec 30 2022 04:36 pm

I wouldn't trade my Glock 20 for a truckload of beer. .45 AGP gets the job done.

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Re: Carry Pistols
By: Ted Long to Nuke on Mon Jan 30 2023 12:34 pm

TL> I wouldn't trade my Glock 20 for a truckload of beer. .45 AGP gets the job
TL> done.

I wouldn't give you a single bottle of beer, much less a whole truckload for a Glock 20. Or any Glock for that matter.

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-=> Quoting Daitengu to Ted Long <=-

TL> I wouldn't trade my Glock 20 for a truckload of beer. .45 AGP gets the job
TL> done.

Isn't the Glock 20 chanbered in 10mm? I thought the Glock 21 was
chambered in .45 ACP...

Da> I wouldn't give you a single bottle of beer, much less a whole
Da> truckload for a Glock 20. Or any Glock for that matter.
Da> DaiTengu

Not a Glock fan, I get it. I don't own one, but see alot of reviews
that they are a decent weapon. Just wondering, have you had bad
experiences with them?

Thanks,

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Re: Carry Pistols
By: Cougar428 to DAITENGU on Wed Feb 01 2023 11:55 am

Da>> I wouldn't give you a single bottle of beer, much less a whole
Da>> truckload for a Glock 20. Or any Glock for that matter.
Co> Not a Glock fan, I get it. I don't own one, but see alot of reviews
Co> that they are a decent weapon. Just wondering, have you had bad
Co> experiences with them?

The consensus is that you either love a Glock, or hate it. There is no middle ground.

I've fired a few. I don't care for them. The ones I've used felt like I was going to break them just by holding it.

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-=> Quoting Daitengu to Cougar428 <=-

Da> The consensus is that you either love a Glock, or hate it. There is
Da> no middle ground.

Wow, makes me want to give it a go to see what I think.

I'm going to have to see if one of my friends owns one that I can
try at the range.

I'm not a gun expert, just a small caliber plinker. I have fired a
few 45's and 9mils but don't own one (yet).

I mostly shoot .22lr as the ammo wont eat my wallet. My kid got a
Beretta M9 .22 clone and a Mauser M1911 .22 clone. He left them
with me to try, but I haven't had a chance to give them a try yet.

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Re: Carry Pistols
By: Cougar428 to DAITENGU on Wed Feb 01 2023 11:55 am

> -=> Quoting Daitengu to Ted Long <=-
>
> TL> I wouldn't trade my Glock 20 for a truckload of beer. .45 AGP gets the
> TL> done.
>
> Isn't the Glock 20 chanbered in 10mm? I thought the Glock 21 was
> chambered in .45 ACP...
>
> Da> I wouldn't give you a single bottle of beer, much less a whole
> Da> truckload for a Glock 20. Or any Glock for that matter.
> Da> DaiTengu
>
> Not a Glock fan, I get it. I don't own one, but see alot of reviews
> that they are a decent weapon. Just wondering, have you had bad
> experiences with them?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Cougar
>
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I am not a Glock fan. There's nothing wrong with them mechanically. I'm not
a fan of the grip angle. Most pistols I can draw and through muscle memory
assume a sight picture easily. With a Glock if I were to close my eyes,
point it, then open my eyes, I'd have to do more adjustment with the sights.

At a dealer event I had a chance to sample some higher end pistols with nicer
sights and triggers. I tried a $2400 Salient Arms Glock and couldn't shoot
it much better than plain factory Glock. I tried an STI (Staccato) 2011
framed pistol and it was a tack driver at 50 yards. I'm really liking the
Walther PPQ.

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-=> Quoting Moondog to Cougar428 <=-

-=> Snip <=-
Mo> I am not a Glock fan. There's nothing wrong with them mechanically.
Mo> I'm not a fan of the grip angle.

Ah - that I can understand. If it's not comfortable to hold, it
may not be very accurate in your hands.

Mo> At a dealer event I had a chance to sample some higher end pistols
Mo> with nicer sights and triggers. I tried a $2400 Salient Arms Glock
Mo> and couldn't shoot it much better than plain factory Glock. I tried an
Mo> STI (Staccato) 2011 framed pistol and it was a tack driver at 50 yards.
Mo> I'm really liking the Walther PPQ.

Wow - checking out reviews for SAI modified Glocks, alot of people
like them. They sound kind of extravagant though. STI looks
interesting as well, looks like people love the grips.

I have not held or fired the PPQ, but have fired other Walther
weapons and I really like the grip on the one I used.

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Re: Carry Pistols
By: Cougar428 to MOONDOG on Sat Feb 04 2023 07:14 am

> -=> Quoting Moondog to Cougar428 <=-
>
> -=> Snip <=-
> Mo> I am not a Glock fan. There's nothing wrong with them mechanically.
> Mo> I'm not a fan of the grip angle.
>
> Ah - that I can understand. If it's not comfortable to hold, it
> may not be very accurate in your hands.
>
> Mo> At a dealer event I had a chance to sample some higher end pistols
> Mo> with nicer sights and triggers. I tried a $2400 Salient Arms Glock
> Mo> and couldn't shoot it much better than plain factory Glock. I tried an
> Mo> STI (Staccato) 2011 framed pistol and it was a tack driver at 50 yards.
> Mo> I'm really liking the Walther PPQ.
>
> Wow - checking out reviews for SAI modified Glocks, alot of people
> like them. They sound kind of extravagant though. STI looks
> interesting as well, looks like people love the grips.
>
> I have not held or fired the PPQ, but have fired other Walther
> weapons and I really like the grip on the one I used.
>
> Cougar
>
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One of my range buddies carries a steel framed PPQ with a Trijicon MRO optic.
His match gun is a steel frame PPQ with a Trijicon SRO. The SRO hasa good
field of view, and a small dot, around 2 moa. I've shot red dots that have
5moa . and that's too big for precise shooting. The dot will cover a pie
plate at 25 yards. That's considered long distance at defensive levels, but i
t's a good peace of mind feeling if you can place tight shots at longer
distances. If I have to escape and evade multiple attackers in a parking
lot, I want the ability to place shots at 50 yards or more

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-=> Quoting Moondog to Cougar428 <=-

Mo> Re: Carry Pistols
Mo> By: Cougar428 to MOONDOG on Sat Feb 04 2023 07:14 am

Mo> One of my range buddies carries a steel framed PPQ with a Trijicon MRO
Mo> optic. His match gun is a steel frame PPQ with a Trijicon SRO. The
Mo> SRO hasa good field of view, and a small dot, around 2 moa. I've shot
Mo> red dots that have 5moa . and that's too big for precise shooting. The
Mo> dot will cover a pie plate at 25 yards. That's considered long
Mo> distance at defensive levels, but i t's a good peace of mind feeling if
Mo> you can place tight shots at longer distances. If I have to escape and
Mo> evade multiple attackers in a parking lot, I want the ability to place
Mo> shots at 50 yards or more

You are out of my knowledge area. I have never used an SRO, so I
don't know much about them, looking the Trijicon up on the interwebs
showed me they cost more than any pistol I have. I guess if you're
in a situation where you need the accuracy, sounds like the way to
go.

I get it, it's all about having the capability if you need it. It's
better to have it and not need it than the other way around.

Peace!

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Re: Carry Pistols
By: Cougar428 to MOONDOG on Tue Feb 07 2023 10:37 pm

> -=> Quoting Moondog to Cougar428 <=-
>
> Mo> Re: Carry Pistols
> Mo> By: Cougar428 to MOONDOG on Sat Feb 04 2023 07:14 am
>
> Mo> One of my range buddies carries a steel framed PPQ with a Trijicon MRO
> Mo> optic. His match gun is a steel frame PPQ with a Trijicon SRO. The
> Mo> SRO hasa good field of view, and a small dot, around 2 moa. I've shot
> Mo> red dots that have 5moa . and that's too big for precise shooting. The
> Mo> dot will cover a pie plate at 25 yards. That's considered long
> Mo> distance at defensive levels, but i t's a good peace of mind feeling if
> Mo> you can place tight shots at longer distances. If I have to escape and
> Mo> evade multiple attackers in a parking lot, I want the ability to place
> Mo> shots at 50 yards or more
>
> You are out of my knowledge area. I have never used an SRO, so I
> don't know much about them, looking the Trijicon up on the interwebs
> showed me they cost more than any pistol I have. I guess if you're
> in a situation where you need the accuracy, sounds like the way to
> go.
>
> I get it, it's all about having the capability if you need it. It's
> better to have it and not need it than the other way around.
>
> Peace!
>
> Cougar
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For a match gun or even a hunting weapon it is easy to invest as much in the
optic as in the firearm. If someone went on a 2 week trip hunting in Alaska
oir safari in Africa, the firarm and optic is a minor investment compared to
the travel and housing costs. I have a friend that owns an $8000 FLIR thermal
he sits on a suppressed Ruger 10/22 for shooting raccoons and other critters
in his neighborhood in complete darkness and near silence. The scope has a ge
neric mount, so it's not money wasted on just a $300 .22 with a $300
suppressor

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-=> Quoting Moondog to Cougar428 <=-

> I get it, it's all about having the capability if you need it. It's
> better to have it and not need it than the other way around.
>
Mo> For a match gun or even a hunting weapon it is easy to invest as much
Mo> in the optic as in the firearm. If someone went on a 2 week trip
Mo> hunting in Alaska oir safari in Africa, the firarm and optic is a minor
Mo> investment compared to the travel and housing costs. I have a friend
Mo> that owns an $8000 FLIR thermal he sits on a suppressed Ruger 10/22
Mo> for shooting raccoons and other critters in his neighborhood in
Mo> complete darkness and near silence. The scope has a ge neric mount, so
Mo> it's not money wasted on just a $300 .22 with a $300 suppressor

I occasionally watch video's of exterminators (rats on farms) who
use pellet rifles on the job. These guys use pellet rifles that
cost more than all my 22's put together and the scopes and night
optics they use are incredible.

Looking some of the equipment up, they are in the thousands. These
people are phenominally on target with this equipment. Either that
or they just cut out all the misses (which I'm sure is the case).

I'd love to have something that accurate on my 22, or pellet rifle.

I sadly find the video's entertaining...

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Re: Carry Pistols
By: Cougar428 to MOONDOG on Thu Feb 09 2023 08:43 am

> -=> Quoting Moondog to Cougar428 <=-
>
> > I get it, it's all about having the capability if you need it. It's
> > better to have it and not need it than the other way around.
> >
> Mo> For a match gun or even a hunting weapon it is easy to invest as much
> Mo> in the optic as in the firearm. If someone went on a 2 week trip
> Mo> hunting in Alaska oir safari in Africa, the firarm and optic is a minor
> Mo> investment compared to the travel and housing costs. I have a friend
> Mo> that owns an $8000 FLIR thermal he sits on a suppressed Ruger 10/22
> Mo> for shooting raccoons and other critters in his neighborhood in
> Mo> complete darkness and near silence. The scope has a ge neric mount, so
> Mo> it's not money wasted on just a $300 .22 with a $300 suppressor
>
> I occasionally watch video's of exterminators (rats on farms) who
> use pellet rifles on the job. These guys use pellet rifles that
> cost more than all my 22's put together and the scopes and night
> optics they use are incredible.
>
> Looking some of the equipment up, they are in the thousands. These
> people are phenominally on target with this equipment. Either that
> or they just cut out all the misses (which I'm sure is the case).
>
> I'd love to have something that accurate on my 22, or pellet rifle.
>
> I sadly find the video's entertaining...
>
> Cougar
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I've seen some of air rifle videos where the farmers have too many starlings
or sparrows, and they thin out the herd. The scope cam footage is interestin
because they factor in wind drift and the amount of drop at the distance they
are shooting. The crosshairs air used for wind value and a range finder is
used to determine loss of energy and drop.

I heard of a budget version of precision rifle where they use rimfires rather
than centerfire cartridges. Instead of needing a 1000 yardrange, they shoot
.22 rimfire at 300 yards. With standard velocity rounds its nearly a rainbow
trajectory reaching out to 300 yards. One time I tried to take a shot at awoo
dchuck whose hole was 185 yards from the barn. Witht eh ballistics program I
was using, I had to factor in several feet of holdover to lob the bullet in.
I missed by 2 inches, then after that the woodchuck ran for his hole any time
to back door on the house was opened. I couldn't safely shoot it with a .223
because of the proximity of the neighbors' house.

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-=> Quoting Moondog to Cougar428 <=-

Mo> I've seen some of air rifle videos where the farmers have too many
Mo> starlings or sparrows, and they thin out the herd. The scope cam
Mo> footage is interestin because they factor in wind drift and the amount
Mo> of drop at the distance they are shooting. The crosshairs air used for
Mo> wind value and a range finder is used to determine loss of energy and
Mo> drop.

Mo> I heard of a budget version of precision rifle where they use rimfires
Mo> rather than centerfire cartridges. Instead of needing a 1000
Mo> yardrange, they shoot .22 rimfire at 300 yards. With standard velocity
Mo> rounds its nearly a rainbow trajectory reaching out to 300 yards. One
Mo> time I tried to take a shot at awoo dchuck whose hole was 185 yards
Mo> from the barn. Witht eh ballistics program I was using, I had to
Mo> factor in several feet of holdover to lob the bullet in. I missed by 2
Mo> inches, then after that the woodchuck ran for his hole any time to back
Mo> door on the house was opened. I couldn't safely shoot it with a .223
Mo> because of the proximity of the neighbors' house.

In some of the pest videos like the one below:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kM9SFp_muT4&t=444s


I can't tell from the optics about windage and such, but these are
pretty close range shots and it looks like (from the footage) that
the person shooting is pretty accurate.

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> I occasionally watch video's of exterminators (rats on farms) who
> use pellet rifles on the job. These guys use pellet rifles that
> cost more than all my 22's put together and the scopes and night
> optics they use are incredible.

Some of the pellet rifles are quite expensive, especially the PCP ones.
Some of them have enough power for small game and vermin, so I guess you
save money on the ammo in the long run.


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Re: Carry Pistols
By: Cougar428 to MOONDOG on Fri Feb 10 2023 12:24 pm

> -=> Quoting Moondog to Cougar428 <=-
>
> Mo> I've seen some of air rifle videos where the farmers have too many
> Mo> starlings or sparrows, and they thin out the herd. The scope cam
> Mo> footage is interestin because they factor in wind drift and the amount
> Mo> of drop at the distance they are shooting. The crosshairs air used for
> Mo> wind value and a range finder is used to determine loss of energy and
> Mo> drop.
>
> Mo> I heard of a budget version of precision rifle where they use rimfires
> Mo> rather than centerfire cartridges. Instead of needing a 1000
> Mo> yardrange, they shoot .22 rimfire at 300 yards. With standard velocity
> Mo> rounds its nearly a rainbow trajectory reaching out to 300 yards. One
> Mo> time I tried to take a shot at awoo dchuck whose hole was 185 yards
> Mo> from the barn. Witht eh ballistics program I was using, I had to
> Mo> factor in several feet of holdover to lob the bullet in. I missed by 2
> Mo> inches, then after that the woodchuck ran for his hole any time to back
> Mo> door on the house was opened. I couldn't safely shoot it with a .223
> Mo> because of the proximity of the neighbors' house.
>
> In some of the pest videos like the one below:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kM9SFp_muT4&t=444s

>
> I can't tell from the optics about windage and such, but these are
> pretty close range shots and it looks like (from the footage) that
> the person shooting is pretty accurate.
>
> Cougar
>
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The shooters use external signs, such as flags to detect wind travel and speed
. Range finding is done with known reference points and range finders. They
calculate the drop and adjust for hold over. On the videos I watched the
crosshair was hardly on the target. Instead, the crosshair would be2 or 3
mil dots high and a few to the left. You would see the pellet fly down the
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Re: Carry Pistols
By: Dumas Walker to COUGAR428 on Fri Feb 10 2023 04:40 pm

> > I occasionally watch video's of exterminators (rats on farms) who
> > use pellet rifles on the job. These guys use pellet rifles that
> > cost more than all my 22's put together and the scopes and night
> > optics they use are incredible.
>
> Some of the pellet rifles are quite expensive, especially the PCP ones.
> Some of them have enough power for small game and vermin, so I guess you
> save money on the ammo in the long run.
>
>
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>
They make models that deliver the same velocity of a .22 (1200fps) and you
can get versions with built-in suppressors (they are not regulated like
firearms.) The advantage or disadvantage is you have a reduced effective
range. It's a plus if you're shooting rodents or pest birds in pole barn or
in an area where a .22 would create more damage if you miss or the projectile
over penetrates.

There are pnuematics chambered for .357 and .50 caliber that can take a deer
sized animal with a clean kill. I have an old hunting buddy that got messed
up with dealing drugs after high school, and he lost his right to own a firearm.
He's cleaned up since then, and he hunts turkey and deer with a big bore air
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> There are pnuematics chambered for .357 and .50 caliber that can take a deer
> sized animal with a clean kill. I have an old hunting buddy that got messed
> up with dealing drugs after high school, and he lost his right to own a firear
> He's cleaned up since then, and he hunts turkey and deer with a big bore air
> rifle.

Yeah, I have seen those. Some of the big bore ones don't even look like
traditional rifles, while others are pretty nice looking with wooden
stocks. The highest chambered one I have is a .25 break-barrel with a gas
piston. I use mine for target shooting but a couple of them could take
small game and nusance birds.

I didn't think about people who cannot own a traditional firearm but they
are good alternatives there, too, if you like to hunt.


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Re: Carry Pistols
By: Dumas Walker to MOONDOG on Sun Feb 12 2023 10:05 am

DW> I didn't think about people who cannot own a traditional firearm but they
DW> are good alternatives there, too, if you like to hunt.

I can just see some town in the south where hillbillies who can't drive because of DUIs and can't own firearms because of criminal convictions go around on mopeds with pellet guns.

(A while ago on one of the nets, someone was explaining the joke about seeing mopeds locked up in front of a dive bar - apparently people who got too many DUIs and had their licenses yanked started driving mopeds, which didn't need a drivers license to operate...)

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Re: Carry Pistols
By: Dumas Walker to MOONDOG on Sun Feb 12 2023 10:05 am

> > There are pnuematics chambered for .357 and .50 caliber that can take a de
> > sized animal with a clean kill. I have an old hunting buddy that got mess
> > up with dealing drugs after high school, and he lost his right to own a fi
> > He's cleaned up since then, and he hunts turkey and deer with a big bore a
> > rifle.
>
> Yeah, I have seen those. Some of the big bore ones don't even look like
> traditional rifles, while others are pretty nice looking with wooden
> stocks. The highest chambered one I have is a .25 break-barrel with a gas
> piston. I use mine for target shooting but a couple of them could take
> small game and nusance birds.
>
> I didn't think about people who cannot own a traditional firearm but they
> are good alternatives there, too, if you like to hunt.
>
>
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>

With the big bores, you can spend over a thousand dollars easily. If you
live in a densely populated yet rural area, it may be an alternative if you ha
ve physical restrictions that prevent you from operating a bow or resetting a
crossbow. Areas where there is thick brush and limited fields of view versus
bean fields with several hundred yard shots are also good places for a big bor
e air rifle.

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Re: Carry Pistols
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Dumas Walker on Sun Feb 12 2023 02:41 pm

> Re: Carry Pistols
> By: Dumas Walker to MOONDOG on Sun Feb 12 2023 10:05 am
>
> DW> I didn't think about people who cannot own a traditional firearm but the
> DW> are good alternatives there, too, if you like to hunt.
>
> I can just see some town in the south where hillbillies who can't drive beca
>
> (A while ago on one of the nets, someone was explaining the joke about seein
> perate...)
>

A bar I used to frequent when I was younger had a bike rack in front. It was
in the town I used to go to school in, and I recognized several of the clients
with driving restrictions. Some bars have the same old folks every
day, and the same stories over and over. I think that is one o the reasons
why I don't go to the bars as much any more. I couldn't imagine spending so
much of my life drinking that it beomes my life.

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> I can just see some town in the south where hillbillies who can't drive
ecaus
> of DUIs and can't own firearms because of criminal convictions go around on
o
> ds with pellet guns.

LOL

> (A while ago on one of the nets, someone was explaining the joke about seeing
> peds locked up in front of a dive bar - apparently people who got too many
UI
> and had their licenses yanked started driving mopeds, which didn't need a
riv
> s license to operate...)

I wonder if that is true everywhere. I thought that you needed a license
for a moped here, but not needing one would explain a few things. :)


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-=> Moondog wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

Mo> with driving restrictions. Some bars have the same old folks every
Mo> day, and the same stories over and over. I think that is one o the
Mo> reasons why I don't go to the bars as much any more. I couldn't
Mo> imagine spending so much of my life drinking that it beomes my life.

I suppose it depends on how you approach it. In England, the pub is the
social center of small towns, and people typically have dinner then go
to the pub for a drink, and to meet friends. They're not open all that
late, and people generally aren't drinking to excess. For older people,
it's a great social outlet.

I'd love to be able to go out and have a drink with my friends a couple
of nights a week and spend an hour or so talking over a drink in person
instead of chatting with them on facetwitchatbook.




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-=> Dumas Walker wrote to POINDEXTER FORTRAN <=-

DW> I wonder if that is true everywhere. I thought that you needed a
DW> license for a moped here, but not needing one would explain a few
DW> things. :)

In California, you need to license the moped, but as long as it's under
50cc in displacement and doesn't go over 30 mpg, it's a bicycle
according to the law.



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Re: Carry Pistols
By: Dumas Walker to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Mon Feb 13 2023 04:46 pm

> > I can just see some town in the south where hillbillies who can't drive
> ecaus
> > of DUIs and can't own firearms because of criminal convictions go around o
> o
> > ds with pellet guns.
>
> LOL
>
> > (A while ago on one of the nets, someone was explaining the joke about see
> > peds locked up in front of a dive bar - apparently people who got too many
> UI
> > and had their licenses yanked started driving mopeds, which didn't need a
> riv
> > s license to operate...)
>
> I wonder if that is true everywhere. I thought that you needed a license
> for a moped here, but not needing one would explain a few things. :)
>
>
> * SLMR 2.1a * Buttblotting Fluid - The blue stuff on diaper commercials
>
I thought mopeds under 49cc were considered toys or hobby bikes. If you want
to drive on highways or express roads, motors of 120cc or more required, and
are treated as motorcycles. E-bikes and electric vehicles had restrictions
based on HP or wattage equivalents.

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-=> Quoting Poindexter Fortran to Dumas Walker <=-

DW> I didn't think about people who cannot own a traditional firearm but they
DW> are good alternatives there, too, if you like to hunt.

PF> I can just see some town in the south where hillbillies who can't
PF> drive because of DUIs and can't own firearms because of criminal
PF> convictions go around on mopeds with pellet guns.
PF> (A while ago on one of the nets, someone was explaining the joke about
PF> seeing mopeds locked up in front of a dive bar - apparently people who
PF> got too many DUIs and had their licenses yanked started driving
PF> mopeds, which didn't need a drivers license to operate...)

It's a funny thought, but...

Not sure where you don't have to have a license to operate a moped
on the roads. I brought one back from Europe and had to get it
licensed for use in PA. I also had to have a drivers license and
insurance. Maybe in other states this isn't the case...

I stopped riding it as people didn't seem to see it on the road. I
stopped at a 4 way, and a car didn't. I jumped off but he ran the
little Honda over. You also don't have to wear a helmet in PA, but
I always did.

Cougar

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-=> Dumas Walker wrote to POINDEXTER FORTRAN <=-

DW> I wonder if that is true everywhere. I thought that you needed a
DW> license for a moped here, but not needing one would explain a few
DW> things. :)

PF> In California, you need to license the moped, but as long as it's
PF> under 50cc in displacement and doesn't go over 30 mpg, it's a bicycle
PF> according to the law.

I was wondering about state laws, in PA it has to be licensed. I
had to license my Honda 50 for use on the road and also have
insurance. No helmet needed though (but I always wore it).

Cougar


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Re: Re: Carry Pistols
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Moondog on Tue Feb 14 2023 06:54 am

> -=> Moondog wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
>
> Mo> with driving restrictions. Some bars have the same old folks every
> Mo> day, and the same stories over and over. I think that is one o the
> Mo> reasons why I don't go to the bars as much any more. I couldn't
> Mo> imagine spending so much of my life drinking that it beomes my life.
>
> I suppose it depends on how you approach it. In England, the pub is the
> social center of small towns, and people typically have dinner then go
> to the pub for a drink, and to meet friends. They're not open all that
> late, and people generally aren't drinking to excess. For older people,
> it's a great social outlet.
>
> I'd love to be able to go out and have a drink with my friends a couple
> of nights a week and spend an hour or so talking over a drink in person
> instead of chatting with them on facetwitchatbook.
>
>
>
>
> ... Is the tuning appropriate?

There is the social aspect, but what I'm referring to are the bar fixtures
that head to the bar after work, drink awhile, then home to dinner and go
to bed. For those folk the only social aspect is public drinking. I used to
stop by the bar and drink with co-workers, but it wasn't long before it got
boaring and life felt like it centered around work and drinking. I joined
other social clubs that weren't about sitting in a clubhouse and drinking.

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