"Let's look at this logically and realistically. The 2nd amendment allows for
personal protection of our families. It also allows for civilians to arm
themselves against an errant government. Let's focus on the 2nd sentence for a
moment. In the 1700's everyone had the very same weapon, with the very same
capabilities. Fast forward to today, we the people are not allowed to own
weapons of the very same capabilities as our government, law enforcement and or
military. Contrary to democratic thinking, the popular AR15 of today is FAR
from being a match to our government, law enforcement and our military's
capabilities. For instance, the AR in AR15 stands for "Armalite Rifle" "NOT
ASDSAULT RIFLE" The AR15 is nothing more than a single shot rifle, but it is
black. Our government today carry's the exact same" LOOKING RIFLE" except
theirs is "FULL AUTO OURS IS NOT". Therefore, civilians are no longer
equivalently armed as we were in the 1700's when our Fore Fathers gave us the
2nd amendment. I for one will not allow our government to water down the 2nd
amendment any further than it already is. Anyone wanting to try is very welcome
on my doorstep."

"Enough gun laws are already in place to effectively keep guns out of criminals
hands, problem is our government does not enforce them. One thing our
government and the democrats do not understand is that CRIMINALS DO NOT OBEY
THE LAW"
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-=> THUMPER wrote to ALL <=-

TH> @VIA: THEWASTE
TH> @MSGID: <60677144.575.dove-firearms@wastelands-bbs.net>
TH> "Let's look at this logically and realistically. The 2nd amendment
TH> allows for personal protection of our families. It also allows for
TH> civilians to arm themselves against an errant government. Let's focus
TH> on the 2nd sentence for a moment. In the 1700's everyone had the very
TH> same weapon, with the very same capabilities. Fast forward to today, we

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VERY much agreed here! The problem is people with murder in their hearts,
not the gun in the hand...



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-=> Thumper wrote to All <=-

Th> "Let's look at this logically and realistically. The 2nd amendment
Th> allows for personal protection of our families. It also allows for
Th> civilians to arm themselves against an errant government. Let's focus
Th> on the 2nd sentence for a moment. In the 1700's everyone had the very
Th> same weapon, with the very same capabilities. Fast forward to today, we

Actually, the civilian rifle of the day was much more accurate at range than
the military issue musket. The benefit of the musket is that it was quicker to
reload than the rifle. Fast forward to the 1870's the Springfield "Trapdoor"
rifle issued to the military was technologically inferior to the lever action
repeating Henrys and Winchesters of the day. The military went with the
single-shot Springfied because they felt that soldiers would waste ammunition
with the repeaters and would aim their shots more carefully..

Things began to draw more even in the late 1890s and early 1900s with bolt
action and semi-automatic arms. While the civilian still had the edge with the
availability of the semi-auto firearm until 1937, it was not until the NFA of
1934 that the military gained the edge in small arms. If course, this also
made private ownership of "destructive devices" a crime (or at the very least
heavily regluated) as well. This act, I believe, signals the slow and gradual
process of the government beginning to chip away at the Second Amendment. From
this point on, gun owners have been in a defensive mode and we have never
recovered.

Th> the people are not allowed to own weapons of the very same capabilities
Th> as our government, law enforcement and or military. Contrary to
Th> democratic thinking, the popular AR15 of today is FAR from being a
Th> match to our government, law enforcement and our military's
Th> capabilities. For instance, the AR in AR15 stands for "Armalite Rifle"
Th> "NOT ASDSAULT RIFLE" The AR15 is nothing more than a single shot rifle,
Th> but it is black. Our government today carry's the exact same" LOOKING
Th> RIFLE" except theirs is "FULL AUTO OURS IS NOT". Therefore, civilians
Th> are no longer equivalently armed as we were in the 1700's when our Fore
Th> Fathers gave us the 2nd amendment. I for one will not allow our
Th> government to water down the 2nd amendment any further than it already
Th> is. Anyone wanting to try is very welcome on my doorstep."

Th> "Enough gun laws are already in place to effectively keep guns out of
Th> criminals hands, problem is our government does not enforce them. One
Th> thing our government and the democrats do not understand is that
Th> CRIMINALS DO NOT OBEY THE LAW"

It's been discussed time and time again that none of the gun laws currently on
the books, or any of those proposed would have prevented any of the mass
shootings that have occurred in recent history. It's also notable to observe
that according to FBI statistics more people are killed with knives than are
killed with all rifles combined (including the scary black, plastic stocked
murder sticks). The fact of the matter is that gun controls is not about
controlling guns, it's about the government exerting an unconstitutional,
illegal, and malevolent control over its citizens.

Regards,
-==*>Weatherman<*==-

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