I have to admit, I'm gob-smacked, absolutely amazed at the lack of discussion
in this forum regarding what has happened in the recent general election. We
are literally looking at one of the greatest threats to the Second Amendment
that this country has faced, and yet the message traffic on this message base
is a big, fat zero. Absolutely amazing. So... when the Second Amendment has
been abolished, which the Left would purely love to do, they'll come after the
First Amendment. Believe me, THAT assault has already begun. After the First
is gone, then you'll find yourself wondering how the hell you'll be able to
defend the REST of the Bill of Rights. Truth, people. The First Amendment is
the most threatening to government. The Second Amendment exists solely to
defend the other eight amendments that make up the Bill of Rights.

It's truly a shame they don't teach American History in schools any more.

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Re: Amazing
By: Weatherman to All on Mon Dec 28 2020 01:41 am

> I have to admit, I'm gob-smacked, absolutely amazed at the lack of
> discussion in this forum regarding what has happened in the recent general
> election. We are literally looking at one of the greatest threats to the
> Second Amendment that this country has faced, and yet the message traffic on
> this message base is a big, fat zero. Absolutely amazing.

Not really. I've been hearing (and originally, believed) the alarm bells over gun rights since the '80s. Meh. Don't get too worried about it. Like abortion, it's a dog whistle that the politicians use to drive people to the polls. That's it. They don't really care if you do or don't own a gun, what kind of gun it is or what you do with it, they just care about votes (well, and money, which buys votes).
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Re: Amazing
By: Weatherman to All on Mon Dec 28 2020 01:41 am

> I have to admit, I'm gob-smacked, absolutely amazed at the lack of discussio
> in this forum regarding what has happened in the recent general election. W
> are literally looking at one of the greatest threats to the Second Amendment
> that this country has faced, and yet the message traffic on this message bas
> is a big, fat zero. Absolutely amazing. So... when the Second Amendment ha

It's not that amazing. I've been a gun lover since I was a kid. Deer
hunting every year. Pheasant, Grouse, Duck. Trap shooting in the summer. I
loved my guns. As much as I love my guns I don't feel we need all the guns
available out there. We need tighter control. We don't need automatic rifles
and pistols. I doubt anyone would take my shotguns and 30.30 but I'd give them
up just to set an example. Not everyone should be permitted to own a firearm.
If you want to shoot people join the army or marines. I'd love debate this
though. I get what you and the NRA are saying. I just don't see it happening
that way.

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We> It's truly a shame they don't teach American History in schools any
We> more.

Oh, they do - but it's a little different from the history I learned.
But, that's a topic for another echo.



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Re: Amazing
By: HusTler to Weatherman on Mon Dec 28 2020 08:06 am

> Re: Amazing
> By: Weatherman to All on Mon Dec 28 2020 01:41 am
>
> > I have to admit, I'm gob-smacked, absolutely amazed at the lack of
> discussio
> > in this forum regarding what has happened in the recent general election.
> > W are literally looking at one of the greatest threats to the Second
> > Amendment that this country has faced, and yet the message traffic on
> > this message bas is a big, fat zero. Absolutely amazing. So... when the
> > Second Amendment ha
>
> It's not that amazing. I've been a gun lover since I was a kid. Deer
> hunting every year. Pheasant, Grouse, Duck. Trap shooting in the summer. I
> loved my guns. As much as I love my guns I don't feel we need all the guns
> available out there. We need tighter control. We don't need automatic rifles
> and pistols. I doubt anyone would take my shotguns and 30.30 but I'd give
> them up just to set an example. Not everyone should be permitted to own a
> firearm. If you want to shoot people join the army or marines. I'd love
> debate this though. I get what you and the NRA are saying. I just don't see
> it happening that way.

I think Joe Biden's older idea that "You don't need an AR, just get a Double Barrel Shotugn" is really flawed in the sense that it's much harder for smaller and less experianced shooter to effectively make follow up shots with a shotgun if it's flying out of their hand, where as your usual AR kicks about as much as .22.

I think if you start to outlaw larger calibers, people will just switch to pistol caliber carbines or ignore the regulation.

I do actually think that ultimately it's not the worst idea. If you limit civilians to pistol and shotgun calibers, you make it so that law enforcement has a range and capacity advantage in any engagement, if ultimately you care more about Law enforcement having an easier time killing citizens, even if they are criminals, then you do about the ability for a citizen to defend themselves from any threat, forein or domestic.

I don't think it's the worst idea, but I really don't like it. I would prefer some other alternative.

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Re: Amazing
By: Digital Man to Weatherman on Mon Dec 28 2020 04:06 am

> Re: Amazing
> By: Weatherman to All on Mon Dec 28 2020 01:41 am
>
> > I have to admit, I'm gob-smacked, absolutely amazed at the lack of
> > discussion in this forum regarding what has happened in the recent genera
> > election. We are literally looking at one of the greatest threats to the
> > Second Amendment that this country has faced, and yet the message traffic
> > this message base is a big, fat zero. Absolutely amazing.
>
> Not really. I've been hearing (and originally, believed) the alarm bells ove
> gun rights since the '80s. Meh. Don't get too worried about it. Like abortio
> it's a dog whistle that the politicians use to drive people to the polls.
> That's it. They don't really care if you do or don't own a gun, what kind of
> gun it is or what you do with it, they just care about votes (well, and mone
> which buys votes).

There is a lot of money to extract from gun owners via licenses and permits.

There is a lot of money to extract from gun stores, ammo manufacturers,
shooting clubs et al via licenses and permits.

There is a lot of control to be exterted by channeling "cultural funds" tax
money into target shooting associations that further your party line.

Either way, it is about control, like everything governments do.
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>I have to admit, I'm gob-smacked, absolutely amazed at the lack of discussion
>in this forum regarding what has happened in the recent general election. We
>are literally looking at one of the greatest threats to the Second Amendment
>that this country has faced, and yet the message traffic on this message base
>is a big, fat zero.

Bigger than Obama?

> Absolutely amazing. So... when the Second Amendment has
>been abolished, which the Left would purely love to do, they'll come after the
>First Amendment. Believe me, THAT assault has already begun. After the First
>is gone, then you'll find yourself wondering how the hell you'll be able to
>defend the REST of the Bill of Rights. Truth, people. The First Amendment is
>the most threatening to government. The Second Amendment exists solely to
>defend the other eight amendments that make up the Bill of Rights.
>
>It's truly a shame they don't teach American History in schools any more.

Agree on your summation of the amendments, bill of rights, and not teaching
history any more. Gotta make room for gender studies and "feelings," after
all.


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-=> Weatherman wrote to All <=-

We> I have to admit, I'm gob-smacked, absolutely amazed at the lack
We> of discussion in this forum regarding what has happened in the
We> recent general election. We are literally looking at one of the
We> greatest threats to the Second Amendment that this country has
We> faced, and yet the message traffic on this message base is a big,
We> fat zero. Absolutely amazing. So... when the Second Amendment
We> has been abolished, which the Left would purely love to do,
We> they'll come after the First Amendment. Believe me, THAT assault
We> has already begun. After the First is gone, then you'll find
We> yourself wondering how the hell you'll be able to defend the REST
We> of the Bill of Rights. Truth, people. The First Amendment is
We> the most threatening to government. The Second Amendment exists
We> solely to defend the other eight amendments that make up the Bill
We> of Rights.

Do you honestly believe that any of those Amendments are going to be
repealed? Do you know what is required to take place for that to
happen?

For the record, I'm a staunch conservative, and hardcore supporter of
the 2nd Amendment. I have owned LOTS of guns, before they were all
tragically lost in a boating accident, of course.

We> It's truly a shame they don't teach American History in schools
We> any more.

You may be able to find a remedial class at your local community
college. Study up on what it takes to make (or repeal) a
Constitutional Amendment. Then, come back here again and tell us what
you think the odds of that actually happening are. Cheers!



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>I do actually think that ultimately it's not the worst idea. If you limit civil
>ans to pistol and shotgun calibers, you make it so that law enforcement has a r
>nge and capacity advantage in any engagement, if ultimately you care more about
>Law enforcement having an easier time killing citizens, even if they are crimin
>ls, then you do about the ability for a citizen to defend themselves from any t
>reat, forein or domestic.

If you limit law-abiding civilans to pistols and shotguns, you don't
necessarily give an advantage to law enforcement. Back when law
enforcement first lost their advantage, it was because mobsters and outlaws
had machine guns. My point being that most of the time they get in big
shootouts with people who can outgun them, it is not your average civilian
they are trading shots with, and making those guns illegal is not going to
change that.

>I don't think it's the worst idea, but I really don't like it. I would prefer s
>me other alternative.

Me also.


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-=> Digital Man wrote to Weatherman <=-


> I have to admit, I'm gob-smacked, absolutely amazed at the lack of
> discussion in this forum regarding what has happened in the recent general
> election. We are literally looking at one of the greatest threats to the
> Second Amendment that this country has faced, and yet the message traffic on
> this message base is a big, fat zero. Absolutely amazing.

DM> Not really. I've been hearing (and originally, believed) the alarm
DM> bells over gun rights since the '80s. Meh. Don't get too worried about
DM> it. Like abortion, it's a dog whistle that the politicians use to drive
DM> people to the polls. That's it. They don't really care if you do or
DM> don't own a gun, what kind of gun it is or what you do with it, they
DM> just care about votes (well, and money, which buys votes). --
DM> digital man

Wow, so then universal background checks for any and ALL transfers of
firearms, including pr

-=> Digital Man wrote to Weatherman <=-


> I have to admit, I'm gob-smacked, absolutely amazed at the lack of
> discussion in this forum regarding what has happened in the recent general
> election. We are literally looking at one of the greatest threats to the
> Second Amendment that this country has faced, and yet the message traffic on
> this message base is a big, fat zero. Absolutely amazing.

DM> Not really. I've been hearing (and originally, believed) the alarm
DM> bells over gun rights since the '80s. Meh. Don't get too worried about
DM> it. Like abortion, it's a dog whistle that the politicians use to drive
DM> people to the polls. That's it. They don't really care if you do or
DM> don't own a gun, what kind of gun it is or what you do with it, they
DM> just care about votes (well, and money, which buys votes). --
DM> digital man

Wow, so then universal background checks for any and ALL transfers of
firearms, including private sales and those to family members don't bother you.
You don't see that as a backdoor strategy to actually create a national
registry of firearms and their owners as a confiscation database. Quite
interesting.

Limits of the amount of ammunition that can be legally purchased on a per-month
basis is not in ANY way limiting the rights of the legal firearm owner?

Banning firearms because of purely cosmetic features like pistol grips or flash
suppressors is absolutely reasonable in your mind, is that correct?

You don't mind the limiting of magazine capacity of any kind of firearms,
including handguns at all.

If a person walks into a gun store and sees a certain number of highly
desireable and collectible firearms and wants to add them to his collection but
can't because there is a limit to the number of firearms an individual is
allowed to purchase in the course of a month, he's just shit out of luck
because he hit his quota earlier in the month. That's fine with you, right?

Each and every one of these restrictions, and OTHERS, are currently active in
various states in this country. The clear fact of the matter is this. If the
Left wins the Senate there is nothing to block them from making these
restrictions nationwide. Once they have sufficiently handcuffed (in all
applicable meanings of the term) legal gun owners, they WILL begin to encroach
on the other rights that the Second Amendment currently protects. The Second
was passed to allow the populace to protect itself against the government. It
has done so in the past, and the intent is to allow it to do so in the future.
The assault on the First Amendment has already begun. The press is controlled
by a single political party. Do you not see how that is wrong? Try, just TRY
to express a conservative point of view on social media. You'll be squashed.

Sorry, DM, but I disagree. There is a very real and very present danger to ALL
of the rights afforded us under the Bill of Rights, and the ONLY thing that
stops an all out assault on those rights are the rougly 100 million Americans
who own the 390 plus million firearms in this country. Private firearm owners
represent the largest military force this nation has ever faced.


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-=> HusTler wrote to Weatherman <=-

> I have to admit, I'm gob-smacked, absolutely amazed at the lack of discussio
> in this forum regarding what has happened in the recent general election. W
> are literally looking at one of the greatest threats to the Second Amendment
> that this country has faced, and yet the message traffic on this message bas
> is a big, fat zero. Absolutely amazing. So... when the Second Amendment ha

Hu> It's not that amazing. I've been a gun lover since I was a kid. Deer
Hu> hunting every year. Pheasant, Grouse, Duck. Trap shooting in the
Hu> summer. I loved my guns. As much as I love my guns I don't feel we need
Hu> all the guns available out there. We need tighter control. We don't
Hu> need automatic rifles and pistols. I doubt anyone would take my
Hu> shotguns and 30.30 but I'd give them up just to set an example. Not
Hu> everyone should be permitted to own a firearm. If you want to shoot
Hu> people join the army or marines. I'd love debate this though. I get
Hu> what you and the NRA are saying. I just don't see it happening that
Hu> way.

The NRA are a bunch of profiteers benefiting from the legitimate concerns of
firearm owners in this country. I didn't say I WANTED to shoot anybody, that's
just a ridiculous accusation. Obviously anybody who actuall looks forward to
harming another person should not own a firearm. For you to suggest that
responsible gun owners think otherwise is indicative of the kool-aid mentality
of the Left.

Don't think anyone will come after you for your .30-30 or shotguns? Well, you
better lock that lever action away, buddy, 'cause they're already illegal in
countries like the United Kingdom, and Australia The fact that you would
voluntarily disarm yourself speaks for yourself. Put your blinders on and have
another glass of Kool-aid....


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-=> poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Weatherman <=-

-=> Weatherman wrote to All <=-

We> It's truly a shame they don't teach American History in schools any
We> more.

pF> Oh, they do - but it's a little different from the history I learned.
pF> But, that's a topic for another echo.

It's a highly selective version of American History...


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-=> Gamgee wrote to Weatherman <=-


We> I have to admit, I'm gob-smacked, absolutely amazed at the lack
We> of discussion in this forum regarding what has happened in the
We> recent general election. We are literally looking at one of the
We> greatest threats to the Second Amendment that this country has
We> faced, and yet the message traffic on this message base is a big,
We> fat zero. Absolutely amazing. So... when the Second Amendment
We> has been abolished, which the Left would purely love to do,
We> they'll come after the First Amendment. Believe me, THAT assault
We> has already begun. After the First is gone, then you'll find
We> yourself wondering how the hell you'll be able to defend the REST
We> of the Bill of Rights. Truth, people. The First Amendment is
We> the most threatening to government. The Second Amendment exists
We> solely to defend the other eight amendments that make up the Bill
We> of Rights.

Ga> Do you honestly believe that any of those Amendments are going to be
Ga> repealed? Do you know what is required to take place for that to
Ga> happen?

Did you read the word "repeal" in any of my post? Of course I know what's
required to repeal a Constitutional Amendment. It requires ANOTHER amendment.
HOWEVER, many of our rights have ALREADY been sidestepped, eroded and
maipulated through laws and regulations that bypass the Constitution. The
Federal Firearms Act of 1938, the Gun Control Act of 1968, the "assault weapon"
ban of the Clinton administration, Section 230, various provisions of the
Patriot Act, FISA and so, so many other federal laws have put restrictions on
personal liberties and rights that were originally protected under the Bill of
Rights and yet... even without a constitutional amendment we find these rights
have been trampled upon by our government. It takes a Constitutional
Amenemdnet to repeal or alter the Constitution, but it does NOT take an
Amendment to destroy our rights.

Ga> For the record, I'm a staunch conservative, and hardcore supporter of
Ga> the 2nd Amendment. I have owned LOTS of guns, before they were all
Ga> tragically lost in a boating accident, of course.

We> It's truly a shame they don't teach American History in schools
We> any more.

Ga> You may be able to find a remedial class at your local community
Ga> college. Study up on what it takes to make (or repeal) a
Ga> Constitutional Amendment. Then, come back here again and tell us what
Ga> you think the odds of that actually happening are. Cheers!

I don't need a remedial class. I see what's going on. And the odds of having
the intent and purpose of the Second Amendment completely subverted are very
high. Once that's done, you can kiss the rest of your rights good bye.


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>I also just so happen to be a fud when it comes to gun, so if someone told me I
>could only have 9mm and 12g from now on, I would be quite content.

I know several who would be happy with a .22 or a break-barrel springer.
Those certainly have their applications.


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Re: Amazing
By: Dumas Walker to VLK-451 on Wed Dec 30 2020 01:59 pm

> >I also just so happen to be a fud when it comes to gun, so if someone told
> I
> >could only have 9mm and 12g from now on, I would be quite content.
>
> I know several who would be happy with a .22 or a break-barrel springer.
> Those certainly have their applications.
>
>
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>

I am quite happy with my Llama .38 (which is a piece of junk compared to the
irons you talk about in here) but that does not mean I like my ability to get
something else removed :-)
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> I am quite happy with my Llama .38 (which is a piece of junk compared to the
> irons you talk about in here) but that does not mean I like my ability to get
> something else removed :-)

I am more comfortable with .38 standard barrel handguns than others. A
friend of mine used to have a nice Tarus .357 revolver. We'd load it with
.38 shells (because they were less expensive) and use it for target
practice. I got pretty good with it.

I liked that gun. I wish I had known he was going to sell it before he did.


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-=> Dumas Walker wrote to ARELOR <=-

DW> I am more comfortable with .38 standard barrel handguns than
DW> others. A friend of mine used to have a nice Tarus .357
DW> revolver. We'd load it with .38 shells (because they were less
DW> expensive) and use it for target practice. I got pretty good
DW> with it.

A Taurus? Ewwwwwwww!!!



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Re: Re: Amazing
By: Gamgee to Dumas Walker on Thu Dec 31 2020 09:31 pm

> DW> I am more comfortable with .38 standard barrel handguns than
> DW> others. A friend of mine used to have a nice Tarus .357
> DW> revolver. We'd load it with .38 shells (because they were less
> DW> expensive) and use it for target practice. I got pretty good
> DW> with it.
>
> A Taurus? Ewwwwwwww!!!

Ew. My old boss had a Taurus 44 Mag... damn thing jammed the first time it was shot. I had to send the stupid gun back to Taurus. I did tell him to never buy a Taurus but he never listened.

Personally, I'm a Beretta, Glock, H&K, and Sig person. Each are extremely reliable, damn accurate out of the box, and highly customizable. :)

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-=> Dream Master wrote to Gamgee <=-

> DW> I am more comfortable with .38 standard barrel handguns than
> DW> others. A friend of mine used to have a nice Tarus .357
> DW> revolver. We'd load it with .38 shells (because they were less
> DW> expensive) and use it for target practice. I got pretty good
> DW> with it.

> A Taurus? Ewwwwwwww!!!

DM> Ew. My old boss had a Taurus 44 Mag... damn thing jammed the
DM> first time it was shot. I had to send the stupid gun back to
DM> Taurus. I did tell him to never buy a Taurus but he never
DM> listened.

Yeah I have never owned one, and never will. That's based on the same
reasoning as you described above. You get what you pay for.

DM> Personally, I'm a Beretta, Glock, H&K, and Sig person. Each are
DM> extremely reliable, damn accurate out of the box, and highly
DM> customizable. :)

I have a Beretta 92FS that I like, but that's it for them. Also a few
Glocks but no H&K. Don't like the looks of Sig. Mostly S&W and Ruger
for me, and CZ.



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> -=> Dumas Walker wrote to ARELOR <=-

> DW> I am more comfortable with .38 standard barrel handguns than
> DW> others. A friend of mine used to have a nice Tarus .357
> DW> revolver. We'd load it with .38 shells (because they were less
> DW> expensive) and use it for target practice. I got pretty good
> DW> with it.

> A Taurus? Ewwwwwwww!!!

That is what most people say, but this one was a good one... or the mist of
time has made me mis-identify it. :)


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Re: Re: Amazing
By: Gamgee to Dream Master on Fri Jan 01 2021 09:14 am

> I have a Beretta 92FS that I like, but that's it for them. Also a few
> Glocks but no H&K. Don't like the looks of Sig. Mostly S&W and Ruger
> for me, and CZ.

My Beretta is a 96FS INOX (40 SW). At this point in time, I'm looking at adding another Glock to my inventory. :)

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-=> Dumas Walker wrote to GAMGEE <=-

> DW> I am more comfortable with .38 standard barrel handguns than
> DW> others. A friend of mine used to have a nice Tarus .357
> DW> revolver. We'd load it with .38 shells (because they were less
> DW> expensive) and use it for target practice. I got pretty good
> DW> with it.

> A Taurus? Ewwwwwwww!!!

DW> That is what most people say, but this one was a good one... or
DW> the mist of time has made me mis-identify it. :)

Hehe. No problem, just pokin' at ya.



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Re: Amazing
By: Weatherman to All on Mon Dec 28 2020 01:41 am

> I have to admit, I'm gob-smacked, absolutely amazed at the lack of discussio
> in this forum regarding what has happened in the recent general election. W
> are literally looking at one of the greatest threats to the Second Amendment
> that this country has faced, and yet the message traffic on this message bas
> is a big, fat zero. Absolutely amazing. So... when the Second Amendment ha
> been abolished, which the Left would purely love to do, they'll come after t
> First Amendment. Believe me, THAT assault has already begun. After the Fir
> is gone, then you'll find yourself wondering how the hell you'll be able to
> defend the REST of the Bill of Rights. Truth, people. The First Amendment
> the most threatening to government. The Second Amendment exists solely to
> defend the other eight amendments that make up the Bill of Rights.
>
> It's truly a shame they don't teach American History in schools any more.
>
> Regards,
> -==*>Weatherman<*==-
>
The anti 2a folk have been keeping things on the lay low. I'm sure that will
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Re: Amazing
By: HusTler to Weatherman on Mon Dec 28 2020 08:06 am

> Re: Amazing
> By: Weatherman to All on Mon Dec 28 2020 01:41 am
>
> > I have to admit, I'm gob-smacked, absolutely amazed at the lack of discus
> > in this forum regarding what has happened in the recent general election.
> > are literally looking at one of the greatest threats to the Second Amendm
> > that this country has faced, and yet the message traffic on this message
> > is a big, fat zero. Absolutely amazing. So... when the Second Amendment
>
> It's not that amazing. I've been a gun lover since I was a kid. Deer
> hunting every year. Pheasant, Grouse, Duck. Trap shooting in the summer. I
> loved my guns. As much as I love my guns I don't feel we need all the guns
> available out there. We need tighter control. We don't need automatic rifles
> and pistols. I doubt anyone would take my shotguns and 30.30 but I'd give th
> up just to set an example. Not everyone should be permitted to own a firearm
> If you want to shoot people join the army or marines. I'd love debate this
> though. I get what you and the NRA are saying. I just don't see it happening
> that way.
>
> |12 HusTler
>
In Germany hunting has become so strict, only single shot firearms are
allowed. Your .30-30 would be illegal there.

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Re: Re: Amazing
By: Gamgee to Weatherman on Mon Dec 28 2020 19:04:00

>
> We> I have to admit, I'm gob-smacked, absolutely amazed at the lack
> We> of discussion in this forum regarding what has happened in the
> We> recent general election. We are literally looking at one of the
> We> greatest threats to the Second Amendment that this country has
> We> faced, and yet the message traffic on this message base is a big,
> We> fat zero. Absolutely amazing. So... when the Second Amendment
> We> has been abolished, which the Left would purely love to do,
> We> they'll come after the First Amendment. Believe me, THAT assault
> We> has already begun. After the First is gone, then you'll find
> We> yourself wondering how the hell you'll be able to defend the REST
> We> of the Bill of Rights. Truth, people. The First Amendment is
> We> the most threatening to government. The Second Amendment exists
> We> solely to defend the other eight amendments that make up the Bill
> We> of Rights.
>
> Do you honestly believe that any of those Amendments are going to be
> repealed? Do you know what is required to take place for that to
> happen?
>
> For the record, I'm a staunch conservative, and hardcore supporter of
> the 2nd Amendment. I have owned LOTS of guns, before they were all
> tragically lost in a boating accident, of course.
>
> We> It's truly a shame they don't teach American History in schools
> We> any more.
>
> You may be able to find a remedial class at your local community
> college. Study up on what it takes to make (or repeal) a
> Constitutional Amendment. Then, come back here again and tell us what
> you think the odds of that actually happening are. Cheers!
>
>
>
> ... All hope abandon, ye who enter messages here.
What I think is funny is that you believe they have to repeal an ammendment to
render it useless. They've already suborned the first ammendment with all of
this "hate speech" crap. Your speech is now officially only protected if it is
a popular idea supported by the majority (or whomever the media supports). If
they don't like what you say it is automatically labled hate speech and you're
ostricized and eviscerated by the media if not convicted. I actually heard on
the news that Trump supporters need to be reprogrammed.

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out because I wasn't a
socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out
because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not
speak out because I wasn't a Jew.
Then they came for me. And there was no one left to speak for me.

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-=> Tyner wrote to Gamgee <=-

> Do you honestly believe that any of those Amendments are going to be
> repealed? Do you know what is required to take place for that to
> happen?

Ty> What I think is funny is that you believe they have to repeal an
Ty> ammendment to render it useless. They've already suborned the
Ty> first ammendment with all of this "hate speech" crap. Your
Ty> speech is now officially only protected if it is a popular idea
Ty> supported by the majority (or whomever the media supports). If
Ty> they don't like what you say it is automatically labled hate
Ty> speech and you're ostricized and eviscerated by the media if not
Ty> convicted. I actually heard on the news that Trump supporters
Ty> need to be reprogrammed.

Ty> First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out
Ty> because I wasn't a socialist. Then they came for the trade
Ty> unionists, and I did not speak out because I wasn't a trade
Ty> unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out
Ty> because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for me. And there was no
Ty> one left to speak for me.

Yada, yada, yada... Better tighten up your tin-foil beanie, boy.



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Re: Amazing
By: Moondog to HusTler on Fri Jan 01 2021 14:36:00

> By: HusTler to Weatherman on Mon Dec 28 2020 08:06 am
>

In Germany, the elephant in the living room is how many "illegal" firearms are still lurking around in closets, attics, buried in the back yard, etc.

WWII left a lot of real nice weapons running around that little country which were retrieved for safekeeping by the citizens. Germany probably has more "ghost" M1 Garands and 1911s in civilian hands than we do.

There is a reason why our guys stationed over there in the 90's were occasionally approached regarding the possibility of obtaining .30-06 and .45ACP rounds...

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Re: Amazing
By: Watchman to Moondog on Tue Jan 19 2021 03:41 pm

> Re: Amazing
> By: Moondog to HusTler on Fri Jan 01 2021 14:36:00
>
> > By: HusTler to Weatherman on Mon Dec 28 2020 08:06 am
> >
>
> In Germany, the elephant in the living room is how many "illegal" firearms are stil
> lurking around in closets, attics, buried in the back yard, etc.
>
> WWII left a lot of real nice weapons running around that little country which were
> retrieved for safekeeping by the citizens. Germany probably has more "ghost" M1
> Garands and 1911s in civilian hands than we do.
>
> There is a reason why our guys stationed over there in the 90's were occasionally
> approached regarding the possibility of obtaining .30-06 and .45ACP rounds...
>

Sounds like Spain too. Lots of goodies from the civil war floating around. Also lots
of guns given away or sold by rogue Civil Guards to civs during the post-war era.

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>What I think is funny is that you believe they have to repeal an ammendment to
>render it useless. They've already suborned the first ammendment with all of
>this "hate speech" crap. Your speech is now officially only protected if it is
>a popular idea supported by the majority (or whomever the media supports). If
>they don't like what you say it is automatically labled hate speech and you're
>ostricized and eviscerated by the media if not convicted. I actually heard on
>the news that Trump supporters need to be reprogrammed.

Commie Curic said that, but she is not the only one who has said that.

>First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out because I wasn't a
>socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out
>because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not
>speak out because I wasn't a Jew.
>Then they came for me. And there was no one left to speak for me.

That is a famous quote, or paraphrase of one. I cannot remember who said
it, though.


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Re: Amazing
By: Arelor to Watchman on Wed Jan 20 2021 09:34:42

There are a lot of hunting rifles out there that started out Mil-Surp from Spain...

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Re: Amazing
By: Watchman to Arelor on Thu Jan 21 2021 07:44 am

> Re: Amazing
> By: Arelor to Watchman on Wed Jan 20 2021 09:34:42
>
> There are a lot of hunting rifles out there that started out Mil-Surp from Spain...
>

As longas they were not from the Spanish Republican side, you are golden :-P

Spanish Republicans used all kinds of Italian material - heck they even used Italaian anarchist troopers - which was known for
al¤l kind of problems. Certain machineguns in particular were known for having the firing pins break mid-battle.

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Re: Amazing
By: Weatherman to All on Mon Dec 28 2020 01:41 am

> So... when the Second Amendment has been abolished, which the Left would purely love to do,

Thank you for reminding me of the shit joke of a left-wing we have in the U.S. Any self-respecting leftist who saw the average working class person getting their arms taken away from them to give the rich and powerful an advantage would nip that shit right in the bud before a second thought. But of course, the neolibs strike yet again, as they have been on the Democratic and Republican parties for the last couple of years now.

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