What is a good calibur handgun to obtain for home protection? I am at a 50/50
draw between 9 and 45 among all my friends.

Daniel Traechin

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Re: First firearm
By: calcmandan to All on Wed Jun 03 2020 10:21 am

ca> What is a good calibur handgun to obtain for home protection? I am at a
ca> 50/50 draw between 9 and 45 among all my friends.

9mm with hollow points. In a home protection situation, there's a good chance you'll miss your intended target at some point. Drywall isn't going to stop a bullet, and little Suzy next door probably doesn't deserve to get shot.


Really a shotgun is probably a better choice for home defense.

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> What is a good calibur handgun to obtain for home protection? I am at a
> 50/50 draw between 9 and 45 among all my friends.

> Daniel Traechin


Impossible to answer and anyone who gives you a caliber is only going from
their experience. With proper shot placement even a .22 LR can be effective
at defense. Most "experts" say anything from a .380 on up is required for a
defensive role. I'd venture to guess that if I put those "experts" in a room
and asked for a volunteer to be shot by a .25 ACP round not a single one of
them would raise their hands. The commonly accepted answer to such a question
is "the largest caliber that you can shoot accurately and proficiently."
Problem is that I'm accurate and proficient with my .454 Casull, but I sure as
hell wouldn't use it for home defense!

The choice has to be balanced between the effectiveness of the round itself,
the environment in which you live (house in the country? In the city?
Apartment?), your comfort level with firearms, and also with knowledge of the
fact that shooting a firearm in the confines of a home is an entirely
different experience from shooting at an outdoor or even an indoor range.

I have several handguns staged at my house and property for defensive use
should I need them. They range from .380 through 9mm, .38/.357 on up to .45
ACP and even .410/.45 LC. All are (in MY opinion) good choices. YOU need
first decide which calibers you are comfortable shooting and then make a
decision among those calibers which suits your living environment best for
self defense. In my mind you can't go wrong with 9mm if you're a newcomer to
shooting. It's effective, most 9's come with a relatively high round capacity
magazine, and it doesn't create a whole lot of muzzle blast and is RELATIVELY
quiet (compared to .454 or .500). Understand, that's just MY OPINION. It's
NOT based on anything other than my personal experience. Others may
justifiably feel differently.

I know this isn't the answer you were looking for, but I hope I've given you
information to assist in making a decision.

Regards,
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-=> calcmandan wrote to All <=-

ca> What is a good calibur handgun to obtain for home protection? I
ca> am at a 50/50 draw between 9 and 45 among all my friends.

Either would be fine. The 9 is easier to shoot if you're new to
shooting (less kick/jump). Also will have more rounds in the
magazine (generally) since each round is smaller.

The 9/45 debate has no real answer, it's like the Ford/Chevy
question. Both are good.



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Re: First firearm
By: calcmandan to All on Wed Jun 03 2020 10:21 am

> What is a good calibur handgun to obtain for home protection? I am at a 50/5
> draw between 9 and 45 among all my friends.
>
> Daniel Traechin
>
> ... Visit me at gopher://gcpp.world

That question is like walking into a comic store and asking which superhero is
the strongest. You are going to cause an orgiastic fist-fight at best.

Find some guns you like, try them out. Stick with the one you are most
comfortable with as long as it is comparable to a 9 or better. It is more
important to place the shots right in the first place :-)

PS: If you are not in the US or a gun -friendly country you may have to screw
my advice and stick to something for which you can find ammunition easily, or
meet ownership conditions easily.

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-=> DaiTengu wrote to calcmandan <=-

ca> What is a good calibur handgun to obtain for home protection? I am at a
ca> 50/50 draw between 9 and 45 among all my friends.

Da> 9mm with hollow points. In a home protection situation, there's
Da> a good chance you'll miss your intended target at some point.
Da> Drywall isn't going to stop a bullet, and little Suzy next door
Da> probably doesn't deserve to get shot.

All of the above is true.... but either/both of the 9mm or .45 is
going to go through drywall... So that doesn't give the nod to
9mm based solely on that criteria.

I do agree that 9mm is probably the better choice in this case,
due to the "first firearm" in the subject line.

Da> Really a shotgun is probably a better choice for home defense.

Probably true, but hard to say without more info/details on the
environment the person is in, and experience levels, etc...



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Re: First firearm
By: calcmandan to All on Wed Jun 03 2020 10:21 am

> What is a good calibur handgun to obtain for home protection? I am at a 50/5
> draw between 9 and 45 among all my friends.
>
> Daniel Traechin
>
> ... Visit me at gopher://gcpp.world

The FBI went back to 9mm because with proper defensive ammo it has as much
stopping power as .40 or .45 at standard engagement distances. 9mm has minima
l recoil, allowing for quick followup shots, plus a larger capactiy of
ammunition. You never know if an intruder is alone, or has a buddy nearby.

I'm partial to the S&W M&P series and Shield models, however Glocks are ultra
reliable. So are Sig, Walthers, and CZ's offerings. Taurus appear to have
a nice price point, however their quality has been hit and miss (pardon the
pun) a few years back. Rugers are also reliable without being too expensive.


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Re: First firearm
By: DaiTengu to calcmandan on Wed Jun 03 2020 09:10 am

> Re: First firearm
> By: calcmandan to All on Wed Jun 03 2020 10:21 am
>
> ca> What is a good calibur handgun to obtain for home protection? I am at a
> ca> 50/50 draw between 9 and 45 among all my friends.
>
> 9mm with hollow points. In a home protection situation, there's a good chan
>
>
> Really a shotgun is probably a better choice for home defense.
>
> DaiTengu
>
> ... When you dial a wrong number, you NEVER get a busy signal.
>
An AR-15 in .223 /5.56 performed much safer in drywall tests. The 9mm and buc
kshot went through several layers whereas the .223 round would tumble end
over in the soft tissue and shed energy as it keyholes through a layer of
drywall or two. Slugs and buckshot are loaded at pressures and velocities to
kill deer sized game at 50-70 yards, slugs even further. I haven't seen any
tests with the mini-shells that are fairly new, however they warn on the box
they might not cycle in a pump or semi-auto loader.

Buckshot does not spread out that much at 7-10 yards. You can probably cover
the group it make with your hand.

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Re: Re: First firearm
By: Weatherman to calcmandan on Wed Jun 03 2020 09:19 am

> > What is a good calibur handgun to obtain for home protection? I am at a
> > 50/50 draw between 9 and 45 among all my friends.
>
> > Daniel Traechin
>
>
> Impossible to answer and anyone who gives you a caliber is only going from
> their experience. With proper shot placement even a .22 LR can be effective
> at defense. Most "experts" say anything from a .380 on up is required for a
> defensive role. I'd venture to guess that if I put those "experts" in a roo
> and asked for a volunteer to be shot by a .25 ACP round not a single one of
> them would raise their hands. The commonly accepted answer to such a questi
> is "the largest caliber that you can shoot accurately and proficiently."
> Problem is that I'm accurate and proficient with my .454 Casull, but I sure
> hell wouldn't use it for home defense!
>
> The choice has to be balanced between the effectiveness of the round itself,
> the environment in which you live (house in the country? In the city?
> Apartment?), your comfort level with firearms, and also with knowledge of th
> fact that shooting a firearm in the confines of a home is an entirely
> different experience from shooting at an outdoor or even an indoor range.
>
> I have several handguns staged at my house and property for defensive use
> should I need them. They range from .380 through 9mm, .38/.357 on up to .45
> ACP and even .410/.45 LC. All are (in MY opinion) good choices. YOU need
> first decide which calibers you are comfortable shooting and then make a
> decision among those calibers which suits your living environment best for
> self defense. In my mind you can't go wrong with 9mm if you're a newcomer t
> shooting. It's effective, most 9's come with a relatively high round capaci
> magazine, and it doesn't create a whole lot of muzzle blast and is RELATIVEL
> quiet (compared to .454 or .500). Understand, that's just MY OPINION. It's
> NOT based on anything other than my personal experience. Others may
> justifiably feel differently.
>
> I know this isn't the answer you were looking for, but I hope I've given you
> information to assist in making a decision.
>
> Regards,
> -==*>Weatherman<*==-
>
I want to see someone do double taps in a high stress situation with a casull

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-=> Moondog wrote to Weatherman <=-

> > What is a good calibur handgun to obtain for home protection? I am at a
> > 50/50 draw between 9 and 45 among all my friends.
>
> > Daniel Traechin
>
>
> Impossible to answer and anyone who gives you a caliber is only going from
> their experience. With proper shot placement even a .22 LR can be effective
> at defense. Most "experts" say anything from a .380 on up is required for a
> defensive role. I'd venture to guess that if I put those "experts" in a roo
> and asked for a volunteer to be shot by a .25 ACP round not a single one of
> them would raise their hands. The commonly accepted answer to such a questi
> is "the largest caliber that you can shoot accurately and proficiently."
> Problem is that I'm accurate and proficient with my .454 Casull, but I sure
> hell wouldn't use it for home defense!
>

>
Mo> I want to see someone do double taps in a high stress situation with a
Mo> casull

If you'll take the time to actually READ what I wrote, I stated that I am
ACCURATE and that I am PROFICIENT with the .454 and I also stated that I would
NOT use it for home defense. I also went on to state (but did not include the
quote for the sake of brevity and conservation of bandwidth) that my defensive
rounds tend to range from .380 to .45 ACP with the OCCASIONAL .45 Cold round
which I load when I'm out and about the property and might run into a predator.


Reading for comprehension is an acquired skill. Perhaps with a little bit of
practice you'll develop a knack for it.

Cheers,
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> > Problem is that I'm accurate and proficient with my .454 Casull, but I sure
> > hell wouldn't use it for home defense!
> >
> Mo> I want to see someone do double taps in a high stress situation with a
> Mo> casull

FWIW, I thought he was agreeing with you, that he doubted someone
could/should use it for self defense, and that he'd like to see someone try.


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Re: Re: First firearm
By: Weatherman to Moondog on Sun Jun 07 2020 02:05 am

> -=> Moondog wrote to Weatherman <=-
>
> > > What is a good calibur handgun to obtain for home protection? I am at
> > > 50/50 draw between 9 and 45 among all my friends.
> >
> > > Daniel Traechin
> >
> >
> > Impossible to answer and anyone who gives you a caliber is only going fro
> > their experience. With proper shot placement even a .22 LR can be effect
> > at defense. Most "experts" say anything from a .380 on up is required fo
> > defensive role. I'd venture to guess that if I put those "experts" in a
> > and asked for a volunteer to be shot by a .25 ACP round not a single one
> > them would raise their hands. The commonly accepted answer to such a que
> > is "the largest caliber that you can shoot accurately and proficiently."
> > Problem is that I'm accurate and proficient with my .454 Casull, but I su
> > hell wouldn't use it for home defense!
> >
>
> >
> Mo> I want to see someone do double taps in a high stress situation with a
> Mo> casull
>
> If you'll take the time to actually READ what I wrote, I stated that I am
> ACCURATE and that I am PROFICIENT with the .454 and I also stated that I wou
> NOT use it for home defense. I also went on to state (but did not include t
> quote for the sake of brevity and conservation of bandwidth) that my defensi
> rounds tend to range from .380 to .45 ACP with the OCCASIONAL .45 Cold round
> which I load when I'm out and about the property and might run into a predat
>
>
> Reading for comprehension is an acquired skill. Perhaps with a little bit o
> practice you'll develop a knack for it.
>
> Cheers,
> -==*>Weatherman<*==-
>
> ... Got my tie caught in the fax... Suddenly I was in L.A.

By no means am I slamming you or your ability. I have seen casull chambered h
anguns fired and several lightly used casulls owned by people who have ran
half a box through then decided to sell it.

A casull is not the type of gun even a seasoned shooter would want to attempt
a double tap (if it were a double action) and that's where I was going with
that.

I don't know if it's a product of online media in general, however it seems
in some forms of discussion the context of replies is assumed to be
adversarial. That was not my intent. I just want to see someone hold onto
that beast and hit something consistently with a double tap.


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-> > What is a good calibur handgun to obtain for home protection? I am at a 50/5
-> > draw between 9 and 45 among all my friends.
-> >
-> > Daniel Traechin
-> >
-> > ... Visit me at gopher://gcpp.world

-> The FBI went back to 9mm because with proper defensive ammo it has as much
-> stopping power as .40 or .45 at standard engagement distances. 9mm has minima
-> l recoil, allowing for quick followup shots, plus a larger capactiy of
-> ammunition. You never know if an intruder is alone, or has a buddy nearby.

-> I'm partial to the S&W M&P series and Shield models, however Glocks are ultra
-> reliable. So are Sig, Walthers, and CZ's offerings. Taurus appear to have
-> a nice price point, however their quality has been hit and miss (pardon the
-> pun) a few years back. Rugers are also reliable without being too expensive.

I own a Taurus, use to have G2c, but bought a TH9. I prefer hammer fire
over striker. Both were/are great guns and are a better than great
price.

Joe

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