DW> > Yes, it's clearly his voice and not "Vaccines cause autism",
DW>
DW> There is that.

Andrew Wakefield was struck from the medical register (UK equivalent of being stripped of his medical license) for his involvement in the /The Lancet/ MMR autism fraud. As an autistic person, I abjectly and categorically refuse to even consider forgetting what that human-shaped sack of hateful excrement has done to us.

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MR> > America is uniqe place in the world, and the entire country is right
MR> > leaning.
MR>
MR> Why do you think this? it is very wrong.

[citation needed]

The Democratic Party is center to center-right by the standards of the rest of the developed world.

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Bf> > Already in the white house with an administration that is helping the
Bf> > economy. She can keep some of those people if she wants.
Bf>
Bf> Helping the economy??? What planet are you talking about here? Biden/Har
Bf> destroyed the economy.
Bf>
Bf> Trump gas = $1.80/gal
Bf> Biden gas = $3.60/gal
Bf>
Bf> That's all you need to know about what destroyed the economy. Gas goes up.
Bf> everything else goes up. Jeez...

Neither OPEC nor the supermajor oil companies are POTUS' slaves. @_@ Everyone knows that the world isn't that simplistic.

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MR> > > > That's all you need to know about what destroyed the economy. Gas
MR> > > > up... everything else goes up. Jeez...
MR> >
MR> > > i worked in the energy industry for 17 years. everything is related
MR> > > oil and natural gas. everything eventually is affected by the chang
MR> > > the industry. every single thing.
MR> >
MR> > Exactly! I can't for the life of me understand why people can't see the
MR> > reality of this.
MR>
MR> people are taught lies and they are taught to be ignorant at a young age.
MR> I'm in my late 40s and I was told everythin can run and should run on sola
MR> that's impossible.

People are taught lies and they are taught to be ignorant at all ages. Solar can't provide 100% of our energy needs as long as clouds exist. That's why we have to supplement it with wind, etc.

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ha> People are taught lies and they are taught to be ignorant at all ages.

You are living proof of this, for sure.

ha> Solar can't provide 100% of our energy needs as long as clouds exist.

Well then as a good little brainwashed libtard, WHY ARE YOU NOT
DEMANDING THE IMMEDIATE REMOVAL OF ALL CLOUDS?

ha> That's why we have to supplement it with wind, etc.

The best solution (seriously) is Nuclear, and has been for decades.
Ignorance and fear are why we are where we are today, in regards to
energy and environment.



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Re: [ANSI] Trump or Harris?
By: halian to MRO on Thu Aug 08 2024 02:04 pm

> MR> > America is uniqe place in the world, and the entire country is right
> MR> > leaning.
>
> MR> Why do you think this? it is very wrong.
>
> [citation needed]
>

fuck youuuu
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MR> > MR> > America is uniqe place in the world, and the entire country is
MR> > MR> > leaning.
MR> >
MR> > MR> Why do you think this? it is very wrong.
MR> >
MR> > [citation needed]
MR> >
MR>
MR> fuck youuuu

No thanks; I'm ace.

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Ne> But also so far, I have been basically treated like an idiot for supportin
Ne> Harris. Is there not a single person who may understand or agree? If the
Ne> isn't then this Debate forum isn't a debate forum at all and should be ren
Ne> Thanks

Hi, I'm "not a single person". :(

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De> >> Trump gas = $1.80/gal
De> >> Biden gas = $3.60/gal
De>
De> Ne> These are facts? No they are not. I paid more than $3.60 of gas durin
De> Ne> Trump administration when COVID hit.
De>
De> No you didn't! even with Covid under Trump it never reached $3.00.

Ah yes, because you know more about Neofree's lived experience than Neofree themself.

De> Ne> You do remember that COVID hit under
De> Ne> Trump's term right? You do realize all the problems Trump caused make
De> Ne> Biden look bad because Trump's policies didn't actually really start
De> Ne> taking effect until after Biden was in office.
De>
De> Lol, NO! Biden caused his own problems by reversing everything Trump did f
De> the ecconomy.

False. Trump's tax cuts disproportionately negatively affected the lower & middle class, with the bottom 60 percent of households receiving an average tax cut of $500 in 2025 under them, compared to more than $60k for the top 1 percent. His tax cuts, on top of Bush's from 2001 and 2003 (most of which were made permanent in 2012), have eroded the US' revenue base from 19.5% of GDP at the turn of the XXI c. to 16.3% in the years immediately following them.

The promised "very conservatively" estimated $4,000 boost in household
income from the cutting of the corporate tax rate failed (or perhaps refused) to manifest for workers who earned less than $114k in 2016, while top executive salaries skyrocketed. Not even the 20% pass-through deduction, which was skewed in favor of wealthy business owners, has helped out workers in those businesses. Like every attempt before it, trickle-down economics have thoroughly and resoundingly failed.

(Source: https://www.cbpp.org/research/federal-tax/the-2017-trump-tax-law-was-

skewed-to-the-rich-expensive-and-failed-to-deliver)

Furthermore, the Trump tax cuts also:

- Removed the ability to deduct a casualty loss, unless it's in a federally-declared disaster area.
- Removed the ability to deduct employment-related moving expenses, unless it's for active-duty military service.
- Taxed survivors' benefits allocated to the children of a dead servicemember as through the children were a trust or estate.

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Re: [ANSI] Trump or Harris?
By: halian to Denn on Fri Aug 09 2024 05:22 pm

De> Ne>> These are facts? No they are not. I paid more than $3.60 of gas
De> Ne>> durin Trump administration when COVID hit.

De>> No you didn't! even with Covid under Trump it never reached $3.00.

ha> Ah yes, because you know more about Neofree's lived experience than
ha> Neofree themself.

I posted the prices of gas timeline, Gas did'nt reach 3.00 a gallon until May of Bidens 1st year in office.
Biden imeadiatly did shut down pipelines, fracking, offshore oil and most oil production in the US and started buying oil from other countries.

De>> Lol, NO! Biden caused his own problems by reversing everything Trump
De>> did f the ecconomy.

ha> False. Trump's tax cuts disproportionately negatively affected the lower &
ha> middle class, with the bottom 60 percent of households receiving an
ha> average tax cut of $500 in 2025 under them, compared to more than $60k for
ha> the top 1 percent. His tax cuts, on top of Bush's from 2001 and 2003 (most
ha> of which were made permanent in 2012), have eroded the US' revenue base
ha> from 19.5% of GDP at the turn of the XXI c. to 16.3% in the years
ha> immediately following them.

Wrong, Tax cuts have a trickle down effect.
Biden caused his own problems, it had nothing to do with tax cuts.

... Hmmm, fence must still be down over at the funny farm....

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-> The Democratic Party is center to center-right by the standards of the rest of the developed world.

If the Kamala era Democrats are center right then I am a heterosexual.

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Re: [ANSI] Trump or Harris?
By: halian to Denn on Fri Aug 09 2024 05:22 pm

> False. Trump's tax cuts disproportionately negatively affected the lower &
> middle class, with the bottom 60 percent of households receiving an average
> tax cut of $500 in 2025 under them, compared to more than $60k for the top 1
> percent. His tax cuts, on top of Bush's from 2001 and 2003 (most of which
> were made permanent in 2012), have eroded the US' revenue base from 19.5% of
> GDP at the turn of the XXI c. to 16.3% in the years immediately following
> them.

I think a classical conservative would consider that effect a success. I'd rather have the population administrate that 3.2% difference of the GDP than a government known not to represent the will of the people (and yes, there is some study that shows the federal government is consistently bad at taking actions the population wants, which is very bad when you consider the government is supposed to represent the will of the people).

Also, if you live in the real world, trickle down is totally a thing. It is not as beautiful as politicians paint it, but I can guarantee you it is much easier to make a living selling stuff as a minorist when people with more money than you have more disposable income.


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> I think a classical conservative would consider that effect a success. I'd
> rather have the population administrate that 3.2% difference of the GDP than a
> government known not to represent the will of the people (and yes, there is
> some study that shows the federal government is consistently bad at taking
> actions the population wants, which is very bad when you consider the
> government is supposed to represent the will of the people).

They are usually representing their own pockets (and the lining of them).

> Also, if you live in the real world, trickle down is totally a thing. It is no
> as beautiful as politicians paint it, but I can guarantee you it is much easie
> to make a living selling stuff as a minorist when people with more money than
> you have more disposable income.

Indeed.


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