In true debate format, let's go people! Yes, I'm being overly simple and a
little sarcastic. But, feel free to intellectually debate what I'm about to
say.

Kamala should be the next president of the United States of America because theother two people who were running are both very old and out of touch and both
have conerns about their future mental health.

Well that about sums that debate up. On to the next topic.... LOL

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> In true debate format, let's go people! Yes, I'm being overly simple and a
> little sarcastic. But, feel free to intellectually debate what I'm about to
> say.

> Kamala should be the next president of the United States of America because
> theother two people who were running are both very old and out of touch and
> both
> have conerns about their future mental health.

I have deep concerns about Kamala's current mental state, listen to her word
salads, she's clearly in way over her head.
Her absurde identity politics, is she black? Is she Indian? Who cares! Most of
us are mixed race.
Before you say, but Trump! She ran as an Indian woman for her senate race, now
she's running as a black woman, she's making this about race and gender.

> Well that about sums that debate up. On to the next topic.... LOL

BTW Kamala makes AOC look smart.

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Re: Kamala
By: Denn to Neofree on Tue Aug 06 2024 01:13 pm

> > In true debate format, let's go people! Yes, I'm being overly simple and a > > little sarcastic. But, feel free to intellectually debate what I'm about t > > say.
>
> > Kamala should be the next president of the United States of America becaus > > theother two people who were running are both very old and out of touch an > > both
> > have conerns about their future mental health.
>
> I have deep concerns about Kamala's current mental state, listen to her word > salads, she's clearly in way over her head.
> Her absurde identity politics, is she black? Is she Indian? Who cares! Most > us are mixed race.
> Before you say, but Trump! She ran as an Indian woman for her senate race, n > she's running as a black woman, she's making this about race and gender.
>
> > Well that about sums that debate up. On to the next topic.... LOL
>
> BTW Kamala makes AOC look smart.
>

I stand by that Kamala has the best mental health of the 3. She hasn't done
anything concering to me about that. Like you said, who cares what race she
is, but when it comes to firsts, if she is elected she will be the first woman
to be a president. And when it comes to what race she wants to go by, I'm sureshe can take a 23AndMe test too and use the highest percentage if she wanted,
but she is probably using it politically here because that is just something
that the Democrat party is going to push. They like to see diverse people get
elected. Of course they need to be qualified, sure. Not just for that reason
alone, sure. But at least give them a chance. Kamala doesn't have the same
negative weirdness like Hillary Clinton did. She's a tough person who used tobe a major DA in California. She also has an administration built already to
easily take over and appoint a bing chunk of the same people into her
administration. Trump will likely do the same thing again, and take a long
time to build his administration again, and constantly argue and kick people
out, etc. We have a choice. Chaos or life as it was. Yes, it'd be nice to
vote for candidates that align with your views ideally. But even those people
can't really get those ideals done because they have to get Congress on board
also. So I think the election is already settled right here and now unless
something major happens. Not really much to "debate" about.

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On Tue, 6 Aug 2024 02:09:46 -0700, you wrote:

N> Kamala should be the next president of the United States of America
N> because theother two people who were running are both very old and out
N> of touch and both have conerns about their future mental health.

While Kamala isn't nearly as 'old' as the other two, you should still have concerns about her already /current/ mental health. Watch some of her interviews, and you'll see what I mean.

"220 million Americans died from the coronavirus"

"Community banks are in the community"

"We will assist Jamaica in COVID recovery by assisting in terms of the recovery efforts in Jamaica"

"It's time for us to do what we have been doing, and that time is every day"

"We've got to take this stuff seriously, as seriously as you are because you have been forced to take this seriously"

"Our allies have stood firm and unified in a way... to ensure that we are unified"

She is as dumb as a box of rocks. You really want someone with this intelligence level to be the face of the USA?

N> Well that about sums that debate up. On to the next topic.... LOL

Redirection, seems par for the course. :)

Regards,
Nick

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Re: Kamala
By: Accession to Neofree on Tue Aug 06 2024 05:42 pm

> On Tue, 6 Aug 2024 02:09:46 -0700, you wrote:
>
> N> Kamala should be the next president of the United States of America
> N> because theother two people who were running are both very old and out
> N> of touch and both have conerns about their future mental health.
>
> While Kamala isn't nearly as 'old' as the other two, you should still have
> concerns about her already /current/ mental health. Watch some of her
> interviews, and you'll see what I mean.
>
> "220 million Americans died from the coronavirus"
>
> "Community banks are in the community"
>
> "We will assist Jamaica in COVID recovery by assisting in terms of the recov > efforts in Jamaica"
>
> "It's time for us to do what we have been doing, and that time is every day" >
> "We've got to take this stuff seriously, as seriously as you are because you > have been forced to take this seriously"
>
> "Our allies have stood firm and unified in a way... to ensure that we are
> unified"
>
> She is as dumb as a box of rocks. You really want someone with this
> intelligence level to be the face of the USA?
>
> N> Well that about sums that debate up. On to the next topic.... LOL
>
> Redirection, seems par for the course. :)
>
> Regards,
> Nick
>
> ... Take my advice, I don't use it anyway.

Yet I've watched some of her interviews, not all of them, and seen nothing likewhat you say. Politicians seem to always pull numbers out of their ass that
are contradictory to a quick Google search. And every politician is arguing
about the other's "math". That has happened my entire adult life, including
the first time I voted, which when was George W Bush was elected the first
time. So that's not a fair qualifier of a persons mental health. Nothing to
with mental health if they get facts wrong. It may just be the information the
party is feeding them, not even sourced themselves. Remember the DNC is very
much in control here, just as the RNC is of the Republican party. So she has
her own agenda, which is probably a back burner project right now because she
wasn't planning for this. So she just needs to stick to the party lines to
stay united and that's what she's doing. I am reading the death toll from
COVID in the USA is currently at: Deaths
1,191,632[3] (reported)
1,103,615 (CDC estimate)[6]
1,200,000 (The Economist estimate on January 25, 2022)[7]
Fatality rate 1.15%
- from Wikipedia

So is that 220 million? Nope and that does sound like she read the wrong info
or was fed the wrong info. Oh well public speaking is not really the primary
job of POTUS, and even Biden should be fine still, he shouldn't have dropped
out. POTUS sits in meetings and makes decisions most of the time. This lacks pressure of public image to maintain and people are more themselves behind
closed doors. However, before I even believe any of your statements, I need
proof. That should be part of the debate process, but unfortunately it isn't.
We all like to complain about how Presidential debates go, but in reality
they're doing exactly what Debate class taught them in high school. Sell your
point of view, and minimize, deflect, ignore the negative. You only sell your
point of view. You don't have to be objectional in a debate. You just win the
debate. That's it.

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Re: Kamala
By: Denn to Neofree on Tue Aug 06 2024 01:13 pm

> BTW Kamala makes AOC look smart.

Not really... I think they are both equally stupid.

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Re: Kamala
By: Neofree to Denn on Tue Aug 06 2024 03:24 pm

> I stand by that Kamala has the best mental health of the 3.

She's an idiot with no plan to fix anything. Trump at least has a plan to fix the economy. Kamala doesn't even know what an economy is.

What's her plan?

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> She's an idiot with no plan to fix anything. Trump at least has a plan to
> fix the economy. Kamala doesn't even know what an economy is.

> What's her plan?

Exactly, and we've already seen Trump's performance as POTUS. His track record
on the economy and defense was nothing short of stellar. I shudder to think
what kind of shape we'd be in now had Hillary won in 2016 with COVID and all.

-=> Neofree wrote to Accession <=-

> N> Well that about sums that debate up. On to the next topic.... LOL

> Redirection, seems par for the course. :)

Ne> Yet I've watched some of her interviews, not all of them, and seen
Ne> nothing likewhat you say.

You're either lying, or dumber than she is.

Even more clueless than most of the flaming libtards that pass through
here. Olympic gold level of cluelessness.



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Re: Re: Kamala
By: Gamgee to Neofree on Tue Aug 06 2024 08:01 pm

> -=> Neofree wrote to Accession <=-
>
> > N> Well that about sums that debate up. On to the next topic.... LOL
>
> > Redirection, seems par for the course. :)
>
> Ne> Yet I've watched some of her interviews, not all of them, and seen
> Ne> nothing likewhat you say.
>
> You're either lying, or dumber than she is.
>
> Even more clueless than most of the flaming libtards that pass through
> here. Olympic gold level of cluelessness.
>
>
>
> ... Ignorance can be cured. Stupid is forever.

OK so since you gave no intellegent argument, why are you posting in a debate
forum?

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Re: Kamala
By: Neofree to Accession on Tue Aug 06 2024 04:33 pm

> > While Kamala isn't nearly as 'old' as the other two, you should still
> > have concerns about her already /current/ mental health. Watch some of
> > her interviews, and you'll see what I mean.
>
> > She is as dumb as a box of rocks. You really want someone with this
> > intelligence level to be the face of the USA?
>

> Yet I've watched some of her interviews, not all of them, and seen nothing
> likewhat you say. Politicians seem to always pull numbers out of their ass

what planet are you on. He is literally posting quotes from her press conferences.
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> Ne> Yet I've watched some of her interviews, not all of them, and seen
> Ne> nothing likewhat you say.

> You're either lying, or dumber than she is.
>
> Even more clueless than most of the flaming libtards that pass through
> here. Olympic gold level of cluelessness.

Ne> OK so since you gave no intellegent argument, why are you posting in a
Ne> debate forum?

Because I want to. Because I call out bullshitters, liars, and trolls
when I see them. I'm thinking you may be all three of those.





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Re: Kamala
By: Accession to Neofree on Tue Aug 06 2024 05:42 pm

Ac> She is as dumb as a box of rocks. You really want someone with this
Ac> intelligence level to be the face of the USA?

Every politican makes word salad from time to time. Since everything is now captured and put online, it can be scoured by hundreds of people to find the most word-salady bits.

Kamala's word salad doesn't hold a candle to the verbal diarrhea that tumbles out of Trump's mouth any time he's standing at a microphone. And Biden's always been "gaffe"-prone (what we used to call these things), which has obviously gotten WAY worse over the past few years.

Bush Jr. was quite famous for inventing new words while trying to fumble his way through a thought.

Obama masked it all with tons of pauses and "aaah.."s

I guarantee that if you or I had to get up on stage and talk to a bunch of people without much in the way of notes and with a slew of other things that were trying to get our attention, the word salad we'd create would be legendary.

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> Before you say, but Trump! She ran as an Indian woman for her senate race, now
> she's running as a black woman, she's making this about race and gender.

The other day someone pointed out that it is racist to point out her race.
I told them I would normally agree *BUT* since Joe said specifically that
he was going to appoint a "woman of color" and then appointed her, he
opened the door for people questioning why she got the job.

If he wanted to use "woman of color" as a criteria, he should not have said
it out loud. Then, yeah, questioning if she got the job because she is a
woman of color might be wrong. As is, Joe said it so we know it is at
least partially true.


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> While Kamala isn't nearly as 'old' as the other two, you should still have
> concerns about her already /current/ mental health. Watch some of her
> interviews, and you'll see what I mean.

Don't forget her insistance, during an interview, that the Republic of
*North* Korea is an ally of ours.


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> > I stand by that Kamala has the best mental health of the 3.

>She's an idiot with no plan to fix anything. Trump at least has a plan to fix
>the economy. Kamala doesn't even know what an economy is.

>What's her plan?

A memeber of the press recently asked her, on camera, what her plan was for
inflation. In a typical word salad fashion, she told us that inflation is
an important issue but never came anywhere close to even admitting she had
a plan, much less explaining one.


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> Re: Kamala
> By: Denn to Neofree on Tue Aug 06 2024 01:13 pm

> I stand by that Kamala has the best mental health of the 3.

I think you're yanking our chains here, no one that watches Kamala's speeches
can honestly think she's competant mentally or otherwise.
Nice try though.

They like to see diverse people get elected.

Yes, and most of those diversity hires are unqualified for the positions they
get hired for.

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Da> Kamala's word salad doesn't hold a candle to the verbal diarrhea that
Da> tumbles out of Trump's mouth any time he's standing at a microphone. And
Da> Biden's always been "gaffe"-prone (what we used to call these things),
Da> which has obviously gotten WAY worse over the past few years.

Policy, policy, policy. While theres plenty that I disagree with from Trump, just a few for example;

womens healthcare rights
sanctuary cities

I just can't get behind another Biden/Harris presidency - I'm just an average dude over here, self-employed and trying to have a decent life... I can't point to one good thing thats come out of either of them.

Immigration is completely, and I mean TOTALLY, out of control - you can go so far as to say they WANT open borders.

The economy has gotten worse, not better, for the entirety of their time in office.

Inflation.

Rents and home ownership - they've allowed corporate giants to buy all the homes; simple fix - no single-family home purchases for portfolio's over 250M... and thats a NOT extreme example; it should be much lower.

... while I'm not stoked that Trump is the better choice, if it's Harris/Trump my vote goes towards the ticket thats gonna make changes to these issues.

Donald J Trump isn't the boogie man - you might not LIKE him, but his policy is lightyears better than Bidens, and Harris doesn't have the qualifications to be VP let alone POTUS.



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On Wed, 7 Aug 2024 13:55:50 -0500, you wrote:

D> Kamala's word salad doesn't hold a candle to the verbal diarrhea that
D> tumbles out of Trump's mouth any time he's standing at a microphone. And
D> Biden's always been "gaffe"-prone (what we used to call these things),
D> which has obviously gotten WAY worse over the past few years.

That may be true, however, he looked and sounded like a flippin' genius standing next to Biden.

D> I guarantee that if you or I had to get up on stage and talk to a bunch
D> of people without much in the way of notes and with a slew of other
D> things that were trying to get our attention, the word salad we'd create
D> would be legendary.

The difference between you and I - and them, though, is that they've been trained, molded, and have practiced all of their careers to do exactly that - stand up in front of an audience and talk (whereas we haven't).

Regards,
Nick

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On Wed, 7 Aug 2024 13:30:00 -0500, you wrote:

DW> Don't forget her insistance, during an interview, that the Republic of
DW> *North* Korea is an ally of ours.

North, south.. tomato, tomahto. :D

Regards,
Nick

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Re: Kamala
By: Accession to Dumas Walker on Wed Aug 07 2024 06:48 pm

> On Wed, 7 Aug 2024 13:30:00 -0500, you wrote:
>
> DW> Don't forget her insistance, during an interview, that the Republic of
> DW> *North* Korea is an ally of ours.
>
> North, south.. tomato, tomahto. :D
>
> Regards,
> Nick

Considering what we've had with biden, that's a bullseye.

Biden would have called the leader "zylanski" and said his vice president
Donald Trump would go over there and talk to them. Then he'd kiss someone else's wife when Jill was on the other side.
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Re: Kamala
By: Dumas Walker to BF2K+ on Wed Aug 07 2024 08:31 am

> >What's her plan?
>
> A memeber of the press recently asked her, on camera, what her plan was for
> inflation. In a typical word salad fashion, she told us that inflation is
> an important issue but never came anywhere close to even admitting she had
> a plan, much less explaining one.

I saw that interview... what a disaster she is and 50% of the country don't realize it.

We are well into the plot of the movie 'Idiocracy' already.

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Re: Re: Kamala
By: paulie420 to DaiTengu on Wed Aug 07 2024 04:32 pm

pa> ... while I'm not stoked that Trump is the better choice, if it's
pa> Harris/Trump my vote goes towards the ticket thats gonna make changes to
pa> these issues.

pa> Donald J Trump isn't the boogie man - you might not LIKE him, but his
pa> policy is lightyears better than Bidens, and Harris doesn't have the
pa> qualifications to be VP let alone POTUS.

Project 2025 is Trump's Policy. One of the most terrifying things he wants to do (and tried to do at the end of his last presidency) is change a large chunk of low level federal civil service workers from standard hires to political appointees, so they can install loyal cult members into these positions.

Trump tried to do this with Exectuive order Schedule F https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/presidential-actions/executive-order-creat
ing-schedule-f-excepted-service/

Biden recinded it 3 days after he took office, so it didn't go into effect.

And no matter how much Trump tries to distance himself from Project 2025, is absolutely is his policy. nearly everyone he surrounds himself with is involved with it in some way.

...But, He has not one redeeming vice.

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Re: Kamala
By: Bf2k+ to Dumas Walker on Thu Aug 08 2024 05:41 am

> Re: Kamala
> By: Dumas Walker to BF2K+ on Wed Aug 07 2024 08:31 am
>
> > >What's her plan?
>
> > A memeber of the press recently asked her, on camera, what her plan was
> > for inflation. In a typical word salad fashion, she told us that
> > inflation is an important issue but never came anywhere close to even
> > admitting she had
> > a plan, much less explaining one.
>
> I saw that interview... what a disaster she is and 50% of the country don't
> realize it.
>
> We are well into the plot of the movie 'Idiocracy' already.

most people are just npcs. a large amount of people can't even pass any kind of test or find their own genitalia on a diagram.
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Ga> > Ne> Yet I've watched some of her interviews, not all of them, and seen
Ga> > Ne> nothing likewhat you say.
Ga>
Ga> > You're either lying, or dumber than she is.
Ga> >
Ga> > Even more clueless than most of the flaming libtards that pass through
Ga> > here. Olympic gold level of cluelessness.
Ga>
Ga> Ne> OK so since you gave no intellegent argument, why are you posting in
Ga> Ne> debate forum?
Ga>
Ga> Because I want to. Because I call out bullshitters, liars, and trolls
Ga> when I see them. I'm thinking you may be all three of those.

None of those describe

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> Policy, policy, policy. While theres plenty that I disagree with from Trump,
> just a few for example;

> womens healthcare rights

Same here, sort of. DYN that, right before he got shot, he successfully
requested that the Republican party remove any "national abortion ban"
language from the official party platform?

Yes, turning the choice over to the states has certainly lead to all out
(and sometimes downright illogical) bans, and a lot of Republican
politicians are responsible/behind it, and I disagree with them on it.

> I just can't get behind another Biden/Harris presidency - I'm just an average
> dude over here, self-employed and trying to have a decent life... I can't poin
> to one good thing thats come out of either of them.

Nor can I. Only thing I can make a reach to point out is that the ne'er do
wells that were setting fires, looting, etc., during the Summer of 2020
mostly stopped doing so after the election, but I firmly believe that is
mostly because Democrat mayors and local politicians (like the ones in
Portland) finally started enforcing the law at that point.

> Immigration is completely, and I mean TOTALLY, out of control - you can go so
> far as to say they WANT open borders.

It is interesting that in several swing states, Trump is more successful
with hispanic voters than Obama or Biden were. I think they understand
what it means to come here legally (vs. otherwise) and don't really like
the border policies (or economic ones or something) of the Democrats.

> The economy has gotten worse, not better, for the entirety of their time in
> office.

> Inflation.

I don't understand where people get any numbers that suggest otherwise, but
they do. "There are lies, damn lies, and statistics" so I guess that is
how they get them.

> Rents and home ownership - they've allowed corporate giants to buy all the
> homes; simple fix - no single-family home purchases for portfolio's over
> 250M... and thats a NOT extreme example; it should be much lower.

Agreed.

> ... while I'm not stoked that Trump is the better choice, if it's Harris/Trump
> my vote goes towards the ticket thats gonna make changes to these issues.

I was pretty much against voting for Trump... I was not going to vote for
Biden, either... but now I feel like I don't have a choice but to vote for
Trump.

> Donald J Trump isn't the boogie man - you might not LIKE him, but his policy i
> lightyears better than Bidens, and Harris doesn't have the qualifications to b
> VP let alone POTUS.

No she did not. She has fewer qualifications than Trump, yet Trump's lack
of "presidentialness" was a big lightning rod for Democrats and leftists.


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> D> Kamala's word salad doesn't hold a candle to the verbal diarrhea that
> D> tumbles out of Trump's mouth any time he's standing at a microphone. And
> D> Biden's always been "gaffe"-prone (what we used to call these things),
> D> which has obviously gotten WAY worse over the past few years.

> That may be true, however, he looked and sounded like a flippin' genius
> standing next to Biden.

What I have noticed is that a lot of Democrats and leftists like to point
out that Trump has mental/verbal issues simply because they don't *like*
what he says, not because it is not understandable.

OTOH, most people who think Biden has issues, or that Kamala loves word
salads, is because they cannot even *understand* what is being said enough
to know if they like it or not.

> D> I guarantee that if you or I had to get up on stage and talk to a bunch
> D> of people without much in the way of notes and with a slew of other
> D> things that were trying to get our attention, the word salad we'd create
> D> would be legendary.

> The difference between you and I - and them, though, is that they've been
> trained, molded, and have practiced all of their careers to do exactly that -
> stand up in front of an audience and talk (whereas we haven't).

Truth.


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Da> Project 2025 is Trump's Policy.

Thats completely untrue - he told us as much a day after this misinformation hit mainstream... I would assume that you don't believe his statements - but I'd assume it lands somewhere more in the middle; I don't think Trump supports the ENTIRE 2025 policy - but could agree with you that some of his stances would align with it. I don't, however, think he is as radical as the entire 700+ page text.

Da> One of the most terrifying things he wants to do is change a large chunk Da> of low level federal civil service workers from standard hires to Da> political appointees, so they can install loyal cult members into these Da> positions.

Why is that terrifying; when every other politician from Biden to Obama to Bush and beyond does the EXACT same thing?? I could understand if you don't agree with these appointees - but this is the nature of the beast...

Da> Trump tried to do this with Exectuive order Schedule F
Da> https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/presidential-actions/executive-order-

Da> ing-schedule-f-excepted-service/
Da>
Da> Biden recinded it 3 days after he took office, so it didn't go into
Da> effect.

"Separating employees who cannot or will not meet required performance standards is important, and it is particularly important with regard to employees in confidential, policy-determining, policy-making, or policy-advocating positions. High performance by such employees can meaningfully enhance agency operations, while poor performance can significantly hinder them. Senior agency officials report that poor performance by career employees in policy-relevant positions has resulted in long delays and substandard-quality work for important agency projects, such as drafting and issuing regulations."

I agree with this sentiment.... why wouldn't we?

Da> And no matter how much Trump tries to distance himself from Project
Da> 2025, is absolutely is his policy. nearly everyone he surrounds himself
Da> with is involved with it in some way.

Hard disagree - he told us as much... why do people take others word at face value, but not Trump? IMO - he followed thru with much more than the Biden administration ever has, and Harris is just... a big fat nothing burger.



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DW> > Policy, policy, policy. While theres plenty that I disagree with from Tr
DW> > just a few for example;
DW>
DW> > womens healthcare rights
DW>
DW> Same here, sort of. DYN that, right before he got shot, he successfully
DW> requested that the Republican party remove any "national abortion ban"
DW> language from the official party platform?

Isn't it insane how the media has tried to quiet that assassination??? I mean - that is HUGE IMO... As if it WEREN'T what it was...

DW> Yes, turning the choice over to the states has certainly lead to all out
DW> (and sometimes downright illogical) bans, and a lot of Republican
DW> politicians are responsible/behind it, and I disagree with them on it.

I do too - however, a decade ago it was exactly what BOTH sides wanted. On abortion, I'm pro-choice - PERIOD... but how bad IS the states taking over?? I think it puts the vote in PEOPLES hands - I don't agree with it, but I refuse to lie and make it the topic that the left wants to...

PA> I just can't get behind another Biden/Harris presidency
DW>
DW> Nor can I. Only thing I can make a reach to point out is that the ne'er
DW> do wells that were setting fires, looting, etc., during the Summer of
DW> 2020 mostly stopped doing so after the election, but I firmly believe
DW> that is mostly because Democrat mayors and local politicians (like the
DW> ones in Portland) finally started enforcing the law at that point.

The summer of love was 100% 10X worse than Jan 6 - the fact that the left won't admit that, nor has there been ANY consequences for it... IS racism IMO. Bunch of BS that we'll all look back in on 50 years and be able to state.

PS - I was on ground zero in Portland for that... it was pretty scary - I got out just 3 mins before the coppers shut it down; thank gosh for my Army buddy who needed to leave b/c of PTSD.

DW> I don't understand where people get any numbers that suggest otherwise,
DW> but they do. "There are lies, damn lies, and statistics" so I guess
DW> that is how they get them.

Rent is $2000; food is up 40%; gas is freaking insane; insurances are up 25+%; I have less $$$; I've never worried this much in my life; a soda costs $4 in Seattle; people who go viral make $100M in a year; press record, in 2024 its almost the only way...

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> DW> Don't forget her insistance, during an interview, that the Republic of
> DW> *North* Korea is an ally of ours.

> Don't act for one second like you've never misspoken in your life, or that no
> other POTUS has ever misspoken during his time in office, because I know for a
> fact that you'd be lying through your teeth.

(1) I am not in a position where part of my job is speaking to the public
on a regular basis. For politicians, that is a big part of their job.

(2) Yes, most all POTUSes have made mistakes here and there. Back in the
1988-92 timeframe, Bush the Elder couldn't hardly stutter without the
press, Democrats, and others having a field day. No President in my adult
lifetime (going back to Reagan) has made as many bumbles and goofs in front
of a microphone in a 4 year period as have Biden or Harris. As you put it, I
would be "lying through my teeth" if I claimed otherwise.

The list of Harris misspeaks presented here alone is more bumbles that I
remember any elected official, aside from Biden, making in a 4 year period.


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> DW> Same here, sort of. DYN that, right before he got shot, he successfully
> DW> requested that the Republican party remove any "national abortion ban"
> DW> language from the official party platform?

> Isn't it insane how the media has tried to quiet that assassination??? I mean
> that is HUGE IMO... As if it WEREN'T what it was...

Yes, it is. I am not 100% certain it is on them, and I did just yesterday
see a local newspiece about it. I believe that part of what got it burried
was the Democrat switcheroo that happened shortly after.

IMHO, part of what got the Democrats moving to replace Biden was his poor
debate performance, but the other part was to make sure Trump getting shot
didn't get too many news cycles. So, they came up with a big story of their
own.

> DW> Yes, turning the choice over to the states has certainly lead to all out
> DW> (and sometimes downright illogical) bans, and a lot of Republican
> DW> politicians are responsible/behind it, and I disagree with them on it.

> I do too - however, a decade ago it was exactly what BOTH sides wanted. On
> abortion, I'm pro-choice - PERIOD... but how bad IS the states taking over?? I
> think it puts the vote in PEOPLES hands - I don't agree with it, but I refuse
> to lie and make it the topic that the left wants to...

Indeed. I am pro-choice also and that is what both sides wanted in the
past. It does put it in the people's hands, which I like, but I am
concerned that some states are so strict now that you might have to carry a
baby to term even if your life is in danger.

We had a governor candidate (R) that wanted to be able to track the travel
habits of women in child bearing years to make sure they weren't traveling
to Illinois to receive care. I am so glad he lost.

>The summer of love was 100% 10X worse than Jan 6 - the fact that the left won't
>admit that, nor has there been ANY consequences for it... IS racism IMO. Bunch
>of BS that we'll all look back in on 50 years and be able to state.

Overall, I agree. I believe both groups of people did bad things and those
people who did bad things need to get in trouble. However, the government
(and press) on the whole seems to only believe that to be true for the Jan 6
group, which is very wrong.

> PS - I was on ground zero in Portland for that... it was pretty scary - I got
> out just 3 mins before the coppers shut it down; thank gosh for my Army buddy
> who needed to leave b/c of PTSD.

Glad he was with you, and hope it didn't traumatize him too much. I am
lucky in that my town didn't have any widespread issues, just a few minor
ones, and was nothing like Louisville.

> DW> I don't understand where people get any numbers that suggest otherwise,
> DW> but they do. "There are lies, damn lies, and statistics" so I guess
> DW> that is how they get them.

> Rent is $2000; food is up 40%; gas is freaking insane; insurances are up 25+%;
> I have less $$$; I've never worried this much in my life; a soda costs $4 in
> Seattle; people who go viral make $100M in a year; press record, in 2024 its
> almost the only way...

> Trump 2024; more and more everyday.

I visited the West Coast (AZ and CA) about this time last year. I was
shocked at how much higher fuel was in (most of) Western AZ and in
California. Other things were a lot higher, too, which I suspect is
related to fuel being so much higher out there. At the time, fuel was
75%-100% times more than it is here, depending on what part of CA I was in,
and it was 3x more than a few places I drove through between here and there.

Right now it is about 33% higher here than in 2019. Depending on what you
are buying, food is anywhere from 25%-100% higher.

Some people will point out that "companies are making record profits now."
I can't disagree but would also point out that you usually do make profits
when some of your competitors can no longer afford to stay in business.


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> most people are just npcs. a large amount of people can't even pass any kind
> of test or find their own genitalia on a diagram.

I think they can find it, they just cannot properly identify it as male or
female.


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ha> Breaking news: he lied. The only reason Chris LaCivita called Project
ha> 2025 a pain in the ass was that it attracted exactly the sort and level
ha> of attention to the GOP manifesto (read: Project 2025 with the serial
ha> numbers filed off) that they *don't* want.
ha>
ha> -̹ƒlian

Again with the hard disagree - Trump, while many things, hasn't lied in this way in the past. He tells you what he wants to do, and follows thru.

Jeebus - do ya'll have the same bank cards, and cash, that I did today and four years ago?!?!??! I just don't get it - how can anyone say yer not feeling it?



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DW> Indeed. I am pro-choice also and that is what both sides wanted in the
DW> past. It does put it in the people's hands, which I like, but I am
DW> concerned that some states are so strict now that you might have to
DW> carry a baby to term even if your life is in danger.

Right - ok, I'll bite...

But my friends who lean more to the right... they're the ones who live in Texas, LA, OH - the places were the PEOPLE have voted abortion rights DOWN....

And my friends who care about choice live in places that DIDN'T do that; so, while *I* am pro-choice, I don't see all this jumping up and down about womens rights - the women that I know that want pro-choice....... have it. Today.

And states that are more buckled down, don't - I get it.. not perfect, but neither was Roe vs Wade.

DW> Overall, I agree. I believe both groups of people did bad things and
DW> those people who did bad things need to get in trouble. However, the
DW> government (and press) on the whole seems to only believe that to be
DW> true for the Jan 6 group, which is very wrong.

But only one group was charged, convicted and is SERVING long sentances.

The other faction is just.... not.

And that is $$$$ take it to the bank black and white - its gross.... but one side won't admit to that.

They burned down fecking CITIES - and a couple lawyers got light sentances.... and 100s got away; but 1/05 folks are serving ALL the time.

Its not hard to see....



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ha> pa> Rent is $2000; food is up 40%; gas is freaking insane; insurances are
ha> pa> I have less $$$; I've never worried this much in my life; a soda cost
ha> pa> Seattle; people who go viral make $100M in a year; press record, in 2
ha> pa> almost the only way...
ha>
ha> Trump will accelerate greedflation through further "trickle-down" tax
ha> cuts and otherwise, not restrain or end it. The solution is to tax, or
ha> failing that eat, the rich.

Wrong - Trump will open up the assets we have in our country, and YOU (and I) would feel the relief within weeks, not months.

How can the other side not admit to this??? I honestly can't understand the lie can be rode... its BS.

Drill, baby, drill - and gas comes down in DAYS/WEEKS. Period - we've seen it before, when Trump wanted to fill the reserves @ $30. (Notice I didn't say $20, like Trump likes to mutter...) But it was at record levels... quickly - and if you let Texas, LA, and MT drill - you'd see it in days/weeks/months - not years. This is a fact, and I can't respect peple saying no.

If you say 'I don't know' or 'I'm not informed', then OK - but most lie.... YES, if we open it up the middle class will feel the relief quickly.

Most of 'us', tho, are prolly upper-middle class and don't NEED it - well... I do...



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Re: Re: Kamala
By: paulie420 to halian on Fri Aug 09 2024 09:39 pm

ha>> Trump will accelerate greedflation through further "trickle-down"
ha>> tax cuts and otherwise, not restrain or end it. The solution is to
ha>> tax, or failing that eat, the rich.

pa> Wrong - Trump will open up the assets we have in our country, and YOU (and
pa> I) would feel the relief within weeks, not months.

pa> How can the other side not admit to this??? I honestly can't understand
pa> the lie can be rode... its BS.


Democrats want power absolute, Once they get power they have no clue what to do with it, they want more and more Government programs to make people dependant on the Government.


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> DW> Indeed. I am pro-choice also and that is what both sides wanted in the
> DW> past. It does put it in the people's hands, which I like, but I am
> DW> concerned that some states are so strict now that you might have to
> DW> carry a baby to term even if your life is in danger.

> Right - ok, I'll bite...

> But my friends who lean more to the right... they're the ones who live in
> Texas, LA, OH - the places were the PEOPLE have voted abortion rights DOWN....

> And my friends who care about choice live in places that DIDN'T do that; so,
> while *I* am pro-choice, I don't see all this jumping up and down about womens
> rights - the women that I know that want pro-choice....... have it. Today.

> And states that are more buckled down, don't - I get it.. not perfect, but
> neither was Roe vs Wade.

It goes along with the example I gave. Our Republican Governor candidate,
who lost, and his supporters wanted to be able to track the out of state
travel habits of women of child bearing years to discourage travel to a
neighboring state (likely Illinois) to receive care.

IMHO, that is invasion of privacy and would have affected anyone who
traveled with a women who met their criteria.

It might not be any more, but my state was also one of the ones that went
so strict that "life is in danger" was not an option. I *think* they
didn't mean to do that and I *think* they fixed it. Alabama, another very
strict state, went crazy with their law and accidentally made IVF illegal.

It isn't perfect and, based on the Constitution, I think it is correct to
let the states handle it. I just wish that some of them would have taken a
moment to think about their actions before just doing it.

> DW> Overall, I agree. I believe both groups of people did bad things and
> DW> those people who did bad things need to get in trouble. However, the
> DW> government (and press) on the whole seems to only believe that to be
> DW> true for the Jan 6 group, which is very wrong.

> But only one group was charged, convicted and is SERVING long sentances.

> The other faction is just.... not.

Correct, which is what I said... the government and press only believe the
Jan 6 group did something wrong, and I disagree with them as you do.

> And that is $$$$ take it to the bank black and white - its gross.... but one
> side won't admit to that.

> They burned down fecking CITIES - and a couple lawyers got light sentances....
> and 100s got away; but 1/05 folks are serving ALL the time.

> Its not hard to see....

They have been blantantly obvious about it... Summer of Love protesters
were "peaceful" and were good, while 1/6 protesters were violent, homocidal
insurrectionists and were EVIL.

IMHO, anyone doing bad things at either time need to be in the same type of
trouble but our government has failed to dole out equal punishment.

One thing to bear in mind, too, is that during the 2020 protest season Harris
encouraged people to donate to the Minnesota Freedom Fund. MFF is a fund that
pays criminal bail bonds and that paid bail in order to free those
incarcerated during the 2020 protests.

For anyone who wants a reference to that, here it is:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/harris-protesters-bail/


The part I mention is the part that is true. Snopes also notes that MFF pays
bail bonds for persons who violate immigration laws.


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-> Project 2025 is Trump's Policy. One of the most terrifying things he wants to do (and tried to do at the end of his last presidency) is change a large chunk of low level federal civil service workers from standard hires to political appointees, so they can install loyal cult members into these positions.

He neutered certain parts of the RNC Platform for 2024. I don't think
Project 2025 will be followed to the T.

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Re: Kamala
By: Neofree to All on Mon Aug 05 2024 09:09 pm

> Kamala should be the next president of the United States of America because
> theother two people who were running are both very old and out of touch and
> both
> have conerns about their future mental health.

Kamala sounds to me like a whole load of "more of the same." Considering "the same" has been drawing the US past the point of no return I don't consider it to be positive.


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Re: Kamala
By: Neofree to Denn on Tue Aug 06 2024 03:24 pm

> I stand by that Kamala has the best mental health of the 3. She hasn't done
> anything concering to me about that. Like you said, who cares what race she
> is, but when it comes to firsts, if she is elected she will be the first
> woman to be a president. And when it comes to what race she wants to go by,
> I'm sureshe can take a 23AndMe test too and use the highest percentage if
> she wanted,

That is quite an issue right there. For a party bent of making race and gender irrelevant, they put so much effort of making them relevant.

Only the KKK cares so much about this stuff, word. And now Democrats.

I guess it is not 100% Kamala's fault, since Obama pioneered the technique of abusing identity politics to generate division for political gain. Most current Democrats re just following a path that ws established before them. They are still responsible for walking down that road.


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Re: Kamala
By: Arelor to Neofree on Sun Aug 11 2024 02:41 pm

> > Kamala should be the next president of the United States of America
> > because theother two people who were running are both very old and out of
> > touch and both
> > have conerns about their future mental health.
>
> Kamala sounds to me like a whole load of "more of the same." Considering
> "the same" has been drawing the US past the point of no return I don't
> consider it to be positive.
>


kamala and her vp candidate have drank tons of sperm so that might be
something different.
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Re: Kamala
By: MRO to Arelor on Sun Aug 11 2024 05:30 pm

> kamala and her vp candidate have drank tons of sperm so that might be
> something different.
> https://i.imgur.com/YrdKsor.png


What do you call Kamala when she has a runny nose?

Full.

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Re: Kamala
By: Arelor to Neofree on Sun Aug 11 2024 02:41 pm

> Re: Kamala
> By: Neofree to All on Mon Aug 05 2024 09:09 pm
>
> > Kamala should be the next president of the United States of America
> > because theother two people who were running are both very old and out of
> > touch and both
> > have conerns about their future mental health.
>
> Kamala sounds to me like a whole load of "more of the same." Considering
> "the same" has been drawing the US past the point of no return I don't
> consider it to be positive.
>
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That's fine. Do you really want to vote in a convicted felon with 23 reported cases of sexual assualt? Yes all those case numebrs exist. One was rape of a minor too. I guess that's what money buys you. The ability to cover it up by putting fear into your victims. Bill Cosby got away with it for a long time.

At this point I'd vote for a bum on the street and say OH WELL before I voted to end the USA and become a country like Nazi Germany once was.

Trump Admires Putin. Trump Admires Kim Jong Un. Is this some crap someone made up? Nope! Watch Trumps own words.

Doesn't matter he's losing anyway.

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Re: Kamala
By: Weed Hopper to MRO on Mon Aug 12 2024 10:27 am

Ok, THAT was funny!

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Re: Kamala
By: Neofree to Arelor on Mon Aug 12 2024 07:03 pm

Explain to me how Trump admires Putin OR N Korea, please. I'm dying to see this...

And if you REALLY think Kamala is BETTER then Trump, you're either high as a kite, or jumt plain blind to stupidity.

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Re: Kamala
By: KnightMare to Weed Hopper on Tue Aug 13 2024 10:00 am

> Re: Kamala
> By: Weed Hopper to MRO on Mon Aug 12 2024 10:27 am
>
> Ok, THAT was funny!
>

Thanks, I stole it. :)

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Re: Kamala
By: Neofree to Arelor on Mon Aug 12 2024 07:03 pm

Ne> That's fine. Do you really want to vote in a convicted felon with 23
Ne> reported cases of sexual assualt? Yes all those case numebrs exist. One
Ne> was rape of a minor too. I guess that's what money buys you. The ability
Ne> to cover it up by putting fear into your victims. Bill Cosby got away with
Ne> it for a long time.

Lol, you watch to much CNN, Racheal Madcow and the Hags at the Veiw, do you also listen to Morning Joe?
1st off it was a kangaroo court of all hardcore leftist's (including the jury).
Most charges were made up, and the others were not crimes.
All this really amounts to is leftist election interference and Biden going after a political rival.
Heels up Harris probably won't become President, She can't be trusted to command the Military of the most powerful Nation on earth.



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Re: Kamala
By: Neofree to Arelor on Mon Aug 12 2024 07:03 pm

> That's fine. Do you really want to vote in a convicted felon with 23
> reported cases of sexual assualt? Yes all those case numebrs exist. One
> was rape of a minor too. I guess that's what money buys you. The ability
> to cover it up by putting fear into your victims. Bill Cosby got away with
> it for a long time.
>
> At this point I'd vote for a bum on the street and say OH WELL before I
> voted to end the USA and become a country like Nazi Germany once was.
>
> Trump Admires Putin. Trump Admires Kim Jong Un. Is this some crap someone
> made up? Nope! Watch Trumps own words.
>

My country has a History of voting or empowering scumbags so there is nothing North Americans can teach us asbout it.

But since you want to go there, whataboutism is an awful debating strategy because by using it you are conceeding your position sucks, and then you try to convince it just sucks less than the alternatives. This might be viable, but if this was a court it would be considered Affirmative Defense, which nearly everybody agrees is an awful thing. "Sure, I confess I stole that million dollar, but I can cling to a flimsy exception in the law that may save my butt. Now I need to prove the exception applies, instead of having you force to prove I stole the money."

This is made worse by the fact the average Trump supporter can just entrench and say "Things were so good with Trump that I don't mind if he is a criminal or not." This is an utilitarian response (Utilitarism being a pilar form many Socialist movements by the way, so it would be a bit hypocritical to argue against it). Trump supporters pride themselves in being able to defend the Trump administration by pointing out its successes rather than having to resort only to tearing down ceaselessly at the opposition (which, quite frankly, is the only thing Democrats can do).


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> Re: Kamala
> By: Neofree to Denn on Tue Aug 06 2024 03:24 pm

> She's an idiot with no plan to fix anything. Trump at least has a plan to
> fix the economy. Kamala doesn't even know what an economy is.

> What's her plan?

Her plan is to be president, she'll stop at nothing to attain that title.
She has no clue about how an economy works.

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Re: Kamala
By: Denn to Bf2k+ on Fri Aug 16 2024 12:48 pm

De> Her plan is to be president, she'll stop at nothing to attain that title.
De> She has no clue about how an economy works.

If I may be so bold to add to that...

She got to the top because she was on the bottom.
She's got ZERO creditibilty. It's proven she's kept criminals longer than their sentence so CA can have cheap labor. Shes locked up people for weed, and she's ADMITTED she's smoked "and inhaled". The list is endless... i can provde more if requested.

There's an old gag question when you meet someone that's clueless and yet has a job which is CLEARLY not their forte' "Who did they blow to get this job?" Well for Cameltoe, EVERYONE that was needed to be serviced to elevate her position while elevating her own body count.

Do you REALLY think DJT has commited all those crimes? IIRC, didn't Jon Stewart DO THE EXACT SAME THING as far as valuation fuckery? Nothing happened to him... Oh yea, HE'S NOT RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT...

Simps...

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-> Trump Admires Putin. Trump Admires Kim Jong Un. Is this some crap someone made up? Nope! Watch Trumps own words.
I think he was trying to think outside the box with Kim Jong Un, doing
the same thing for decades was not working.


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> -> Trump Admires Putin. Trump Admires Kim Jong Un. Is this some crap someone
> -> made up? Nope! Watch Trumps own words.

> I think he was trying to think outside the box with Kim Jong Un, doing
> the same thing for decades was not working.

Exactly. Acting like a country and their leader doesn't exist unless they
are threatening South Korea or Japan was not working at all.


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-=> Neofree wrote to Arelor <=-

Ne> That's fine. Do you really want to vote in a convicted felon with 23
Ne> reported cases of sexual assualt? Yes all those case numebrs exist.
Ne> One was rape of a minor too. I guess that's what money buys you. The
Ne> ability to cover it up by putting fear into your victims. Bill Cosby
Ne> got away with it for a long time.

Ne> At this point I'd vote for a bum on the street and say OH WELL before I
Ne> voted to end the USA and become a country like Nazi Germany once was.

Ne> Trump Admires Putin. Trump Admires Kim Jong Un. Is this some crap
Ne> someone made up? Nope! Watch Trumps own words.

Ne> Doesn't matter he's losing anyway.

It looks like we need to put in a copium mine. There's a rich vein here.


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>That's fine. Do you really want to vote in a convicted felon with 23 reported
>cases of sexual assualt? Yes all those case numebrs exist. One was rape of a
>minor too. I guess that's what money buys you. The ability to cover it up by
>putting fear into your victims. Bill Cosby got away with it for a long time.

If Harris and the Democrats want to really show that they care about those
23 cases, they would release the Epstein client list and expose several of
their own members and donors (and likely some Republicans, too) who are
likely guilty of sex crimes.

Until then, they are really on no higher ground when it comes to sexual
assualt and misconduct.


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